Re: RFC: PerlMonks above the fold navigation

[Anonymous Monk]

Consider the existing grouping. Here is that list without class="topnavmenu inline-list"

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You've made a nice butterfly, but completely destroyed the existing grouping -- "Cool Uses For Perl" is top left and thats just wrong :)

Here is my attempt to make a butterfly without changing the groups

Poetry Recent Threads Newest Nodes Donate What's New		Log in Create a new user The Monastery Gates Super Search
	perlmonks.org
Seekers of Perl Wisdom Meditations PerlMonks Discussion		Obfuscation Reviews Cool Uses For Perl Perl News Q&A Tutorials

But yeah, I come to mostly read/answer questions

Obviously some things (Poetry) will just have to be moved

Obviously I may have missed the point behind your butterfly, but I'm going to post what I have anyway :)

I've recommended a NEW QUESTION link before

This is jarring because the main navigation of a site should not change at all when navigating around a site let alone logging in/out.

I don't know how jarring it can be for Log in | Create a new user to disappear -- perlmonks is very customizable, the screen can turn upside down after logging-in.

Maybe you want Log in | Create a new user to cease being links? Or to merely get striked?

[kimmel]

Please disregard any grouping or order you think my butterfly chart has. A chart not a navigation mock-up or anything like that. It is a screen from a project file that just has all the nav links with no specific order. The only meaningful piece of data from that chart is the different color groups showing different functionality.

Also let me reiterate this point again, I am not changing the layout of PM. I have said this before while explaining my design goals. The menu looks the same as it does now style, positioning and all that.

Just because PM is customizable does not mean that breaking normal main navigation ideas by changing it is a good default position to take. The path of least surprise, least visible moving parts is best for the bulk of end users on the internet as a whole. As people use the internet they develop habits and expect things to work a certain across all the sites they use. They don't think about different designs, or aesthetics it is about how fast can I get my task done. Little cognitive breaks like that hurt usability. I can see changing secondary navigation menus based on logged in status but PM does not have anything like that above the fold.

[Argel]

It's just a mind map he's using to collect and display a bunch of information about the navigation.