note benn Yes, I think globals are a Bad Thing generally - not So Bad that I don't use them {g}, but it'll only ever be a couple ($dbh and $cgi, generally). I try to only use globals if it makes things more stylish, or efficient, or pretty. In a case like this, where it looks he's trying to make *every widget* global, that's almost definitely a Bad Thing, and is probably contributing to some 'code spaghetti'. <p>Cheers, Ben. 289743 290360