note petdance See [http://petdance.com/perl/] for a couple of my talks on the topic of large-scale project testing, including the one I gave at last year's OSCON. <P>Also, I'd be glad to visit your local Perl Mongers group and talk, too. (No cost to you, either, so long as my costs to get there don't exceed $100) I'm going to Minneapolis in a few weeks, and I've spoken at St. Louis and Grand Rapids. <P> Short version of my comments on this thread: <UL> <LI>Redundancy is OK. Don't build for redundancy, but if you happen to have redundant tests between a couple of .t files, that's OK. Don't try to remove the "inefficiencies". <LI>Don't worry how long your tests take. Set up a bot that runs hourly and notifies you (or the entire department, in my case) if any tests fail. </UL> Here's the bot we use at work. It's set up to handle a branches if necessary, as in: <code> # Runs the smokebot program on the trunk and mails the results 0 * * * * smokebot HEAD smokereports@us.com # Smoke against the branches 30 * * * * smokebot cp2004-branch smokereports@us.com </code> Adapt to your own uses: <code> #!/bin/sh if [ $# -lt 2 ] then echo Must pass at least a branch, and one email address, echo plus any parms to echo pass to smoke. exit 1 fi REV=$1 shift MAIL=$1 shift cd $TMP DIR=tw FULLPATH=$TMP/$DIR # This assumes you have already logged in once as anoncvs # so that the password is in your ~/.cvspass file. cvs -d/home/cvs -Q co -d $DIR -r $REV tw > /dev/null TWROOT=$FULLPATH export TWROOT /home/smoke/tw/Dev/devapache stop > /dev/null 2>&1 /home/smoke/tw/Dev/devapache start > /home/smoke/smoke.out 2>&1 cd $TWROOT smoke $@ >> /home/smoke/smoke.out 2>&1 grep -i "^Failed" /home/smoke/smoke.out > /home/smoke/smoke.out.fail if [ -s /home/smoke/smoke.out.fail ] then STATUS="FAILED" mail -s"Smoke $REV $@ $STATUS `date`" $MAIL < /home/smoke/smoke.out else STATUS="passed" fi /home/smoke/tw/Dev/devapache stop >> /home/smoke/smoke.out 2>&1 </code> <div class="pmsig"> <div class="pmsig-72812"> <P> xoxo,<BR> Andy<BR> </div></div> 341329 341329