note Abigail-II <blockquote> How do you feel about such tools? Keep in mind that use of such tools embodies both laziness and impatience in the programmer. </blockquote> That's a strange way of asking a question. It seems you are already trying to defend yourself. Are you looking for an argument of some sorts? Does it matter how we feel? If I said such tools give me the urge to dance with a duck, what does that mean to you? Or is this question more like a Rorschach test (you know, the one where they show you an inkblot on a paper that was folded right after being stained, and they ask what you see in it (an inkblot, what else?)), and your question has a deeper meaning? (And the urge to dance with a duck means that later in life you'll have difficulties in relationships with oranges), <p> Abigail 368094 368094