note Ven'Tatsu I've use this in my code before: <code> #actual data came over the network with inconstant line ends. my $text = "some\r\nmulti-line\ntext"; my $line_count = $text =~ s/\r?\n/\n/g; </code> There were cenrtanly a dozen other ways to get the line count, but for what was being done this was the most strait forward, without doing double work. 442597 442840