note merlyn I particularly like Linus' statement in [http://lists.insecure.org/linux-kernel/2000/Sep/1177.html|that post]: <blockquote><i> Quite frankly, I'd rather weed out the people who don't start being careful early rather than late. That sounds callous, and by God, it _is_ callous. But it's not the kind of "if you can't stand the heat, get out the the kitchen" kind of remark that some people take it for. No, it's something much more deeper: I'd rather not work with people who aren't careful. It's darwinism in software development. <p> It's a cold, callous argument that says that there are two kinds of people, and I'd rather not work with the second kind. Live with it. </i></blockquote> I fully support that. There are far too many people who (attempt to) perform programming as a income activity who aren't really programmers. If you can't program careful enough to not need a debugger, then either slow down your rate of coding, or pick a different profession. Please. <p> Thanks for the reference, [id://26179]. That's the point I was trying to make earlier. I don't use a debugger, because I try very hard not to need one. {grin} <p>-- <a href="http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/">Randal L. Schwartz, Perl hacker</a></p> 48474 48621