note systems First I wouldn't count out Catalyst or Moose out. Moose is important because Perl 5 needed a better OO support and Catalyst is what brought me back to Perl. From where I stand I think more focus should be brought to Windows and MS products. Many of us at work cannot but use tools that play nice with IIS, SQL Server and Active Directory. RT, Jifty won't play nice or at all with the above mentioned stack. Catalyst at least installed, I have yet to find out if all the modules I need from CPAN will work properly. I really loved Catalyst choose your own weapon approach to things. Strawberry Perl need more attention too, since its what bring CPAN to windows. 676072 676072