note dragonchild Perl is opensource. As such, there are dozens of modules on CPAN that use tying. One example is [mod://DBM::Deep]. It implements tying for both arrays and hashes and it implements (nearly) every single method that the tie interface provides for arrays and hashes. If DBM::Deep doesn't do it or worry about it, then it's probably not something you need to worry about. (If I'm mistaken, I need to know cause it's a bug in DBM::Deep!) <!-- Node text goes above. Div tags should contain sig only --> <div class="pmsig"><div class="pmsig-85580"> <hr> My criteria for good software: <ol> <li>Does it work? <li>Can someone else come in, make a change, and be reasonably certain no bugs were introduced? </ol> </div></div> 735595 735595