note cLive ;-) Who the hell stores passwords in plain text - especially on a programmers' web site? I knew this place had its flaws - hundreds of SQL queries per page view, extremely slow page loads (25 seconds to process my votes on this page's nodes), but really. I kept passwords unhashed for about the first 6 months I was programming. This is up there with using strict and warnings. Cannot... comprehend... stupidity... Why not just make this site static for historical reference and redirect everyone to Stack Overflow? The only thing I miss over there is the chat sidebar. 784123 784353