note markjugg I use CGI::Application and jQuery and the "hard core" and "old school" labels don't mean much to me. I'm curious what of approach smart, intelligent and up-to-date web developers use though. <p> To respond to a further comment: We also use Dreamweaver extensively, and I'm generally very satisfied with it for web design. <!-- Node text goes above. Div tags should contain sig only --> <div class="pmsig"><div class="pmsig-20513"> <P> [markjugg|Mark Stosberg] </div></div> 788074 788074