note zwon <blockquote><em>replaced the word free with "open source" where appropriate</em></blockquote> <p>I'm not sure, but isn't EPIC free (as in freedom)? <p><b>P.S.:</b> [Foxpond Hollow], you've asked not to shout about Vi(m), so I wouldn't tell you that it has all you need to develop programs and such ;) 788790 788802