note LanX Thank you this was the best anonymous post in a while expressing much of my thoughts much better than I could. I wholeheartedly support the "Rakudo/Parrot/Pugs/Ponie/whatever..." team but IMHO most of the problems and tensions are the result of a communication tragedy. Honestly, Perl6 should be renamed into something like Perl++. It's much more than the next evolutionary step of Perl5, it's incorporating revolutionary concepts which can't be achieved in normal release steps.. But at the same time we are living in a marketing world, where the crowd measures the quality of a product at the release numbers. Releasing a Perl5 compatible successor, maybe just bundling [mod://Moose] for OOP and [mod://Coro] for multithreading and maybe some syntax cosmetics and restriction³ to contradict the "write only language" complaint would easily cannibalize the Ruby spectra like they are actually cannibalizing the Python spectra.¹ But sadly such a successor can't be named Perl6, because this name slot is already taken. And at the same time the "Perl++ team" has to cope with the burden and pressure of the whole community impatiently waiting for a answer to the contemporary needs. They are constantly forced to justify why they are making gold, where the market just needs iron to be turned into steel. ² Thats a marketing desaster! Perl5 is somehow in the situation of [wp://Neanderthal]s who are told by the gods that further evolution is useless because [wp://Sapiens Sapiens] will arrive in Europe and wipe them out. Actually it took thousands of years to replace them ...  <div class="pmsig"><div class="pmsig-708738"> Cheers Rolf </div></div> UPDATE: added links and to title and improved language Footnotes: ¹) It's so paradox to see how a beautified syntax on Perl semantics plus Smalltalk object model named Ruby easily takes steadily growing market shares .... ²) and let me be clear Perl++ IS gold, but meanwhile our customers live in the stone age and are going to other jewelers to buy gems made of iron... ³) perl critic but anal! 836349 836433