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chk boxes in chatterbox
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by HarryPutnam
on Apr 25, 2014 at 18:10
    What is supposed to happen when you check the boxes in chatterbox?

    I took it to be some way to make sense of the confusing flow of messages in various thread, and assumed once checked, that box would disappear, allowing you to keep up with the responses you've read

    After fiddling with it for a while... I really don't see what it does at all.

Some better way to read/post/follow threads
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by HarryPutnam
on Apr 25, 2014 at 18:01
    There seems to be a real wealth of knowledge on PerlMonks.

    I'm quite a new user... and find the interface for reading and posting in threads is difficult to follow. After just scanning briefly thru some of the setup stuff, I saw no section devoted to how threads are presented.

    Hopefully I'm just blind to seeing how to set things up in some way I can follow better. If so I hope some kind Monk will steer me toward the relevant information.

    Is it possible to connect with the various forums, thru NNTP? And use them like regular usenet is setup?

    Is it possible, thru personal settings or whatever to get my group reading interface to resemble the one available on gmane. With Frames and threading so the groups appear in the tried and venerable style of usenet

Pretify the site with CSS?
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by Anonymous Monk
on Apr 23, 2014 at 14:12
    Can you suggest and share some custom made CSS examples that make Perl Monks more pleasing to the eye and easier to read ?
OpenSSL Status
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by papidave
on Apr 19, 2014 at 18:33
    Inasmuch as Heartbleed is forcing admins all over the internet to patch their servers, and inasmuch as it's considered wise to change one's passwords after said patching, I'm wondering if PM:
    1. was ever vulnerable to the OpenSSL issue known as Heartbleed, and
    2. if we're all patched, so I can reset my password.

    Thanks muchly,


propose updating node about linking to cpan modules
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by Lotus1
on Apr 16, 2014 at 11:34

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by milan.dalwadi
on Apr 11, 2014 at 03:07
    To front page or not ? [ANSWERED]
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    by Bloodnok
    on Apr 10, 2014 at 06:35
      Greetings fellow approvers,

      Pray tell, what are the considerations &/or constraints to be applied when deciding whether, or not, to front page a node ?


      Many thanks to the respondents - it's all much clearer now ... for a Friday :-)

      A user level that continues to overstate my experience :-))
    "Message Inbox" is not displaying messages
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    by kcott
    on Mar 06, 2014 at 21:13

      My Message Inbox is indicating "Inbox (2)" but no messages are displayed.

      I can see both messages in the Chatterbox section.

      I've tried accessing the Message Inbox via the following links:

      •;srch_folder=0: the "And 0 more" link in the Chatterbox section.
      • the "... private messages ..." link in Message Settings.
      • the "... Message Inbox ..." link in Message Outbox.

      Logging out and back in again didn't fix it.

      I also tried logging in to and no messages were displayed in the Message Inbox using these URLs.

      -- Ken

    Avoiding accidential reposts
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    by LanX
    on Feb 25, 2014 at 17:24
      This is not a feature request!

      ... more a meditation. :)

      If we'd supply a unique id for each comment session, could this be used to reject or warn about accidental reposts?

      I.e. after clicking "comment" a hidden field would contain something composed from parent-node-id + user-id + timestamp + random number and passed thru the "preview" and "create" stages.

      After first posting this ID could be "disabled". Either by storing in the DB-table holding the final post or by caching it for x hours.

      A considerable part of NTCs deals with such accidental duplicates and even experienced monks regularly fall into the trap (especially when using mobile clients)

      Am I missing something?

      If this was already discussed before please point me to the discussion.

      Cheers Rolf

      ( addicted to the Perl Programming Language)

    Thanks to the Perl Monks
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    by shirkdog_perl
    on Feb 05, 2014 at 02:26

      Since 2002 for me, this place has been a refuge, now more than ever from all of the garbage we now call "The Internet". I am delighted to see new posts with active discussions.

      A thousand blessings to all monks on their journey through Perl.

      Shirkdog is meditating...

      #!/usr/bin/perl -w use strict;
    Message Inbox: Retain Deleted messages longer
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    by jdporter
    on Feb 04, 2014 at 21:38

      My hallucinogenic memory tells me that I read, somewhere, a long time ago, that any messages in your 'Deleted' folder get purged every day, or something like that; and my experience certainly seems to bear that out.

      Can we please change that to a week, or at least several days? Thanks you!

      (And if anyone can tell me where the code that implements this is -- and if it's a code node -- I'd be happy to code the implementation myself.)

      I reckon we are the only monastery ever to have a dungeon stuffed with 16,000 zombies.
    Having our anonymous cake and eating it too
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    by pemungkah
    on Jan 23, 2014 at 00:52
      I mentioned this in another thread, and Anonymous Monk kindly suggested I float it in its own thread - so here we go.

      The problem at hand re anonymous users is that some people really really love Anonymous Monk, and others really really don't. There are certainly folks who are very vocal about this both ways and who continue to be; the consensus has always been either anonymous posting must completely stop forever and the Anonymous Monk be eliminated, or anonymous posting must be left as it is because it is too difficult to do anything about it.

      I'd like to propose a possibility that might let both sides of this discussion have what they want - it it obvious that there is at least some dissatisfaction with anonymous posting as-is, and it's also obvious that we're not going to eliminate a feature which is very popular with many.

      (Those who understand the internals of the Perlmonks engine, bear with me; I've not seen the code, so I do not yet know if this is feasible. If I'm incorrect, let's talk it over and see if the concept is something we can work with, even if my specific implementation guesses are not.)


      1. We keep the Anonymous Monk. This is, from much reading here, not negotiable.
      2. There are, from time to time, personality conflicts among the members of this site. This is simply a fact.
      3. At times, some people may not want to see postings from others, either selectively, or at all.
      4. Any proposed solution must not alter the current functionality's default operation.
      5. Any suggestion must be as small as possible a change.
      This seems like a difficult set of criteria to meet without altering the most basic characteristics of the users - but let's look at this from a different angle. What if we made "allow anonymous users to respond" to be a characteristic of a node instead?

      We'd default this characteristic to be on unless turned off. If turned off, all child nodes of this node would inherit the characteristic (whether by data inheritance or plain old copying is an implementation detail - suffice it to say that the characteristic would be added to each node, and only the first node in a new thread would have the option of setting this characteristic - for simplicity, if you started out open, you don't get to "take it back"). All child nodes would retain the parent's characteristic, and would not be allowed to alter it. However, if node characteristics are truly inheritable from a root-of-thread node, then "taking it back" is possible (what is my root node's current "allow anonymous" setting?), and a nice thing to permit. I do not think nodes should be pruned if this setting is changed; that adds too much complication.

      Alternatively, each top node could have a pointer to the originator's "block list". Checking a "no anonymous replies" checkbox in your home node adds the Anonymous Monk to this list; a secondary input field/page in the user's home node settings would allow them to add other ids to the block list (probably stored as home node IDs). Each new thread would copy/inherit the block list from the user to the root node - probably copy, as we don't want the changes to propagate across large swaths of the database if someone posts a lot then alters their block list. Each subsequent child node would continue to receive this block list.

      Users who did not want to block the anonymous monk would leave the box unchecked (and if the block list exists, would have an empty block list); this allows them to use Perlmonks in the style to which they are accustomed.

      Users who want to block other monks (whoever this might be) would add them to their block list (or check the box), and they would no longer have to see posts from those monks. Blocked monks would receive a polite "monk prefers not to see your posts, sorry" message when trying to post to a node/thread on which they are blocked.

      Considerations should not be blockable; I'm on the fence about votes. Needs discussion to tease out the positives and negatives here.

      Let's please not simply say declare it impossible; let's think about it and see if we can partly do it if the whole idea doesn't work. If there are architectural issues, let's look at them and see if there are any further ideas that might let us move forward in a different way with the same kind of function.

      It just comes down to each monk being allowed to control what they wish to read, which is a reasonable goal. Let's see if we can find a way to meet it. I am more than happy to do (and capable of doing) work to make this happen.

    Add social networks to home nodes
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    by Lady_Aleena
    on Jan 20, 2014 at 14:10

      Recently I was asked by another monk for a Twitter to PerlMonks user handle decoder. I would love to be able to store my social network user names by my avatar instead of mixing it in with the text of my profile. Also, if a Monk fills in those fields, it might also be nice for a meta page with a list like Monks with Twitter accounts.

      Google+LadyAleena Noyb

      Facebook, Linkdin, etc. can be optional fields too with the accompanying "Monks with X accounts" pages. Just a thought.

      No matter how hysterical I get, my problems are not time sensitive. So, relax, have a cookie, and a very nice day!
      Lady Aleena
    Deflation and "Selected Best Nodes"
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    by LanX
    on Jan 07, 2014 at 10:16
      Hello Brothers

      when bored I start reading and enjoying the wisdom of "Selected Best Nodes of All Time, 50 of the top 2000 nodes"!

      I don't know if I'm the only one noticing¹ but it's pretty difficult to find nodes written after 2006!

      As I'm looking at it now the last node N° 50 is "DNA is Life" with 99 upvotes, which pretty much explains the phenomenon.

      It's the deflation (the opposite of inflation) of votes in the last years. IAW votes were "cheaper" back then.

      The best node of 2013 apparently was " : get your perlmonks flair!" with 87 votes.

      I certainly doubt that the loss of monks or votes in the last years represents a decline of quality.

      My suggestion (IFF easily realized!) is to select the nodes after multiplying a antiproportional weight factor which is derived from either average votes or maximum votes in the corresponding year.

      This is far from being urgent, I just thought it might be worth noting, that ATM "selected best nodes" only represents the far past of the community.

      Cheers Rolf

      ( addicted to the Perl Programming Language)

      PS: another factor could be that old posts had more time collecting votes, I don't have the necessary statistical data to check. Anyway it's still strange if this only applies to nodes written prior to 2006.


      ¹) older discussions to the same topic:

    Assigning unique identifiers within a discussion thread to each distinct anonymous commenter
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    by PopeFelix
    on Jan 02, 2014 at 13:12

      Recent discussion in the CB has turned to the topic of Anonymous Monks, and the utility of anonymity on this site. Arguing against anonymity, Jim said, "... you can't distinguish one [Anonymous Monk] from another [Anonymous Monk] in any given thread. You can't have a reasoned argument with someone when that someone is an amorphous blob that can't be differentiated from other instances of the same amorphous blob."

      As an answer to this, what about differentiating AM's in a given thread by calling them "Anonymous Monk 1", "Anonymous Monk 2", etc.? I.E., in a given thread, we'd assign a unique identifier to each distinct anonymous commenter. That would preserve the anonymity of the commenter, both within the PM website and to the outside world, while at the same time allowing commenters (both anonymous and otherwise) to distinguish between and cogently reply to different AM's in a thread.

      I won't go into the details of implementation here; that's up to the maintainers.

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