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On the serious issue of XP devaluation and other tangentially related or unrelated passing thoughts
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by oiskuu
on May 19, 2016 at 13:59

    Now that the shady practices of XP-clipping have been brought to light?, I was thinking this could be the right occasion to address the shortcomings—whether perceived or actual—of the feedback and voting mechanisms, that is to say, to mull things over.

    I'll start with a few ideas.

    • What if monks could cast two votes on any node: first strictly during the main voting period, the other available later (but no sooner than one voting period after the first). This would open up the possibilities of correcting mistakes, placing emphasis.
    • Reminder messages. A node that you've accepted has not been answered in 24 hours. A node you've frontpaged has no answer in 12 hours. (XP demerit elective.)
    • Preliminary votes ie temporary-votes ie fake-votes ie phantom-votes ie were-votes ie mere-hints. These votes disappear after a month or so. How's it going to work: somebody soft-votes to place your node higher in the thread, now other monks are more likely to vote on it, everyone's happy.
    • Monk of the Year. Get your pic (statue) on PM during the next year. (Best XP gainer wins the Trophy.)


The significance of 2010-03-16?
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by BrowserUk
on May 18, 2016 at 15:12

    Is there something significant about the date 2010-03-16 that explains why SioB stopped updating my total on that day?

    With the rise and rise of 'Social' network sites: 'Computers are making people easier to use everyday'
    Examine what is said, not who speaks -- Silence betokens consent -- Love the truth but pardon error.
    "Science is about questioning the status quo. Questioning authority". I knew I was on the right track :)
    In the absence of evidence, opinion is indistinguishable from prejudice.
Strange bug after replying
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by LanX
on May 14, 2016 at 13:05

    I tried to post a reply to File Parsing and saw this after sending

    here the corresponding xml

    <node id="218191" title="Re: File Parsing" created="2002-12-06 19:47:1 +4" updated="2016-05-14 12:52:02"><type id="11"> note</type><author id="214975"> cjf-II</author><data><field name="doctext"> <p>[id://218008] should point you in the right direction.</p></field>< +field name="root_node"> 218190</field><field name="parent_node"> 218190</field></data></node>

    apparently PM gets confused if two threads have the same title.


    This seems to be the resulting node Re: File Parsing

    Cheers Rolf
    (addicted to the Perl Programming Language and ☆☆☆☆ :)
    Je suis Charlie!

Querying Saints in our Book (2)
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by chacham
on May 13, 2016 at 10:40

    Extending Querying Saints in our Book, the script now includes Monk Levels, which helps when trying to group or order the data. More importantly, (if it indeed can be important) the query now includes XP Ratio, which is calculated by XP / Writeups.

    Fabricated numbers of some monks and monks with no writeups are outliers that mess up the numbers. So, the query returns two sets of ratios, with and without exclusions. Perhaps a more complicated rule for outliers can be devised.

    The current output of the (commented out) query is:

    MONK_LEVEL TITLE MIN MAX AVG MIN_X + MAX_X AVG_X ---------- ---------- ---------- ---------- ---------- ---------- ---- +------ ---------- 13 Curate .07 3654 53 .07 + 727.8 35.26 14 Priest 4.66 4560 65.43 4.66 + 4560 65.43 15 Vicar 5.43 1604 47.12 5.43 + 1604 47.12 16 Parson 6.53 7619 129.17 6.53 + 371.8 31.9 17 Prior 6.16 814.62 46.28 6.16 +814.62 46.28 18 Monsignor 5 243.02 33.02 5 +243.02 33.02 19 Abbot 4.03 1103.75 73.21 4.03 1 +103.75 73.21 20 Canon 5.27 127.72 23.32 5.27 +127.72 23.32 21 Chancellor 6.45 55.35 14.3 6.45 + 55.35 14.3 22 Bishop 9.51 78.21 21.93 9.51 + 78.21 21.93 23 Archbishop 7.77 16.04 10.9 7.77 + 16.04 10.9 24 Cardinal 10.26 20.19 15.22 10.26 + 20.19 15.22 25 Sage 8.99 11.26 10.44 8.99 + 11.26 10.44 28 Pope 6.48 1659.73 421.35 6.48 + 12.06 8.56 (All) .07 7619 61.85 .07 + 4560 43.37

    Notable, perhaps, is the average with exclusions is just over 43. Certainly more outliers can be excluded to "correct" that number. :)

    The use of this data can be called into question, though it is data and data is fun, right?

    FWIW, i occasionally update some useless data in Re: planetscape and me: 1282 nodes apiece. Though, i still haven't figured out why.

unreaping , reversing reaped, resurrecting a node
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by beech
on May 03, 2016 at 02:45
Is there a place on PM outlining community policy
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by Anonymous Monk
on Mar 22, 2016 at 22:39
Best Nodes with negative reputation
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by Athanasius
on Mar 14, 2016 at 01:36

    As I write this (Monday, 14th March, 2016, at 01:23:32 EDT [15:23 EST — my time]) the last two nodes featured in “Best Nodes of the Day” at Best Nodes are in negative reputation: -1 and -2, the latter for a node which has already been reaped.

    I think this reflects poorly on the Monastery; in any case, it is at odds with the behaviour of Worst Nodes, which never shows nodes whose reputation is zero or positive. (Currently, there are only two nodes showing in “Worst Nodes of the Day.”)

    Although this situation is rare (the nodes in negative reputation disappeared while I was completing this post!), I think it would be worth fixing.

    Update: Removed redundant “2016” from the date.


    Athanasius <°(((><contra mundum Iustus alius egestas vitae, eros Piratica,

Style change for "Edit the Node" headline?
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by LanX
on Mar 10, 2016 at 18:40
    Hi, I have the impression the design changed to the worse.

    When I revisit a post of mine I see the the <h3>Edit the node</h3> headline for updating close right after my posting (here the signature) and only after a huge gap the input field for 'Title:'.

    This really confused me to the point that I believed <h3>Edit the node</h3> belongs to the text I posted.

    Was it always like that or did something change?

    Copying the html:

    ..........................End of Post .....................

    Edit the node

    [Input Field]

    </p><p></p> <p></p> <p></p><h3>Edit the node</h3><br><br>Title:<br> '[Input Field]'

    probably someone changed the CSS for <p> ? Did we have this headline before?

    Cheers Rolf
    (addicted to the Perl Programming Language and ☆☆☆☆ :)
    Je suis Charlie!

What about Russian Poetry?
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by chacham
on Mar 08, 2016 at 09:35

    Perl Poetry has an interesting entry by dmitri, which includes Russian. Eventually, it was approved by Corion, but only after dmitri considered his own node asking why. The Consideration is currently at "keep: 2 edit: 1 reap: 2", and the reputation at +10/-10. Also, in Perl Poetry, it says there are 3 replies, yet in Nodes to consider i says there are 4. (I only see 3 replies to the actual node.)

    Are foreign languages acceptable on PM? If not, are exceptions made for Perl Poetry, or only when English is the majority, or when it is easily translatable?

voting does update
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by LanX
on Mar 06, 2016 at 06:37
    I was very surprised to notice that using the vote button would also update your own post if it's the root of the sub thread (even if the sub thread has only your post, you'll find a vote button to test it)

    Is this known and is it hard to fix?

    Cheers Rolf
    (addicted to the Perl Programming Language and ☆☆☆☆ :)
    Je suis Charlie!


    Got a message I asking what do you mean by "update your post"??

    Answer: Please visit one of your old posts, change the text and click on [vote] instead of [update]

    You'll notice that the post is updated.

Grabbing a node by name, limit by section
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by Tanktalus
on Mar 01, 2016 at 18:59

    There are some node names that are duplicate, so I'm wondering if I can grab one by name but limited to a particular section. For example, RonW is both a user and a SoPW. For my particular query, I only care about users, so I'm wondering if there is a flag I can pass in to say "give me RonW but limit the search to users" since doesn't quite work.


On silently moving posts
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by flowdy
on Feb 21, 2016 at 07:21


    I am surprised to find my recent posting (originally in CUfP) approved in Meditations. After another read of the descriptions of both sections, it is okay for me, at least since my contribution does not contain code but is only an announcement. What if I had included short test scripts for a naive approach to the outlined problem and another according one for my elaboration?

    What I have missed, however, was a notification, so I would not have been afraid at first that my posting might be deleted. In my case, the CUfP section description reads like '... or full-blown webapps', so it was not entirely wrong there.

    Would it be too hard for moderators to drop a note to a monk on approving a node in a section different from the monk's choice?

    flowdy ;-)

Always some thing interesting at PM!
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by flexvault
on Feb 19, 2016 at 13:02

    After logging into PM this morning, I found what I thought was a new monk called 'FlexAgain'. To my amazement he has been around much longer than I, and is still Level 1.


    User since: Oct 24, 2002 at 11:47 EDT Last here: Feb 19, 2016 at 10:49 EST (2 hours ago) Experience: 18 Level: Initiate (1) Writeups: none

    It this a typo, or has he been AM for years?


    "Well done is better than well said." - Benjamin Franklin

Why the down votes?
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by u65
on Feb 12, 2016 at 08:04

    I would appreciate knowing what I did wrong in node 1154837.

Find your own monastery: "Perl 6" is not Perl, and Perl is not a Dinosaur
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by 1nickt
on Feb 07, 2016 at 00:00

    This is a call to the fans of "Perl 6" to please go start your own monastery, or website, at least, and stop cluttering up these halls with posts about your new pastime.

    Yes, I know I am free to choose whether to read or not to read whatever article I don't like. But it's not about how I, or any established programmer, feels about "Perl 6" (not even about how it is likely to shrink further the limited opportunities to earn a living practicing a craft I've spent half a lifetime improving).

    The problem I have with allowing these "Perl 6" promos here is that it creates confusion for novice programmers who come to the monastery hoping to learn how to program in Perl, and fills their path to knowledge with obstacles, red herrings and irrelevancies.

    The same sad situation can be encountered when you visit, and apparently even the Perl Foundation spends its money on promoting "Perl 6" at conferences. (Apparently TPF has changed the emblem of the real Perl to a dinosaur; that sure helps!)

    This is, of course, the most unfortunate thing about "Perl 6" the hobby -- that people who don't know better conflate it with Perl, the working and wildly successful programming language. While there's not much we can do about that overall, we can certainly avoid exacerbating the problem by publishing "Perl News" and "Meditations" about Perl's 'mortal enemy,' as DAGolden recently judged it.

    To the "Perl 6" fans I say: stand on your own two feet and quit using the established culture of Perl, and this monastery, to try to popularize your hobby and land-grab your piece of the upcoming "Perl 6" gold rush (*cough*).

    Among the defining characteristics of a successful and long-lasting monastic order -- even a liberal one, even one dedicated to the social good -- are cohesiveness and unity of purpose. A house divided against itself cannot stand, as a wise man once said. It's fine for a small band of dissatisfied brethren to go off and develop a new denomination: knock yourselves out, but please don't forget the first half of that process!

    The way forward always starts with a minimal test.

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