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Re^3: Beginning Problems

by Anonymous Monk
on Jan 25, 2013 at 15:13 UTC ( #1015361=note: print w/ replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Re^2: Beginning Problems
in thread Beginning Problems

Most of the GUI text editors make it difficult to save in a plain-ascii plain-text format. They tend to use fancy file formats, save as UTF-16, insert byte-order-marks, or have odd newlines. Dropping down to a terminal-based text editor may be easier than teaching someone how to find the options to turn each of these off in a program you haven't used previously.

(And anyway, nano sucks. vim is better. And probably easier to learn, too.)


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Re^4: Beginning Problems
by Jenda (Abbot) on Jan 25, 2013 at 23:28 UTC

    Beg your pardon? Nobody would suggest using MS Word or anything similar (though we've had a post by someone who used something like that and saved the script in RTF format). I just tested this with Perl 5.8.9 (rather dated, don't you think) and it doesn't care whether the script is 8bit, utf8 with or without BOM, utf16LE or utf16BE. All work fine.

    Jenda
    Enoch was right!
    Enjoy the last years of Rome.

      we've had a post by someone who used something like that and saved the script in RTF format
      Yes. That was the OP.
      لսႽ ᥲᥒ⚪⟊Ⴙᘓᖇ Ꮅᘓᖇ⎱ Ⴙᥲ𝇋ƙᘓᖇ

      Very well, I did not check whether Perl had trouble with any of those issues, but a lot of other languages do. I've seen people have such problems caused by text editors that are by no means full-fledged word processors (you wouldn't consider TextEdit.app or Wordpad as one, would you), but instead bordering on programmer's editors (Notepad++ or similar). I've helped debug a bug caused by the editor saving a BOM by default [1], and seen problems caused by each one of those things I mentioned.

      (But when I introduce them to vim, they don't have any of those bugs. They don't exactly get much code written either, for some reason...)

      [1] may have been php and its header() function

Re^4: Beginning Problems
by Anonymous Monk on Jan 26, 2013 at 07:33 UTC

    (And anyway, nano sucks. vim is better. And probably easier to learn, too.)

    HA!

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