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Re^3: How many man-hours would you estimate you have invested in learning Perl?

by tinita (Parson)
on Apr 04, 2013 at 15:20 UTC ( #1027000=note: print w/ replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Re^2: How many man-hours would you estimate you have invested in learning Perl?
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it's one of those seemingly harmless jokes we're confronted with regularly. I see a big difference to the other options. I don't have any problem with the "social skills" option.
and it goes one level further - it's not "only" discriminating women, but it's discriminating those who complain about discrimination by pretending that all feminists are aggressive. especially after the incident where a woman heard a bad joke in a conference audience and put a photo of the guys on twitter (which I think was a really bad idea).

just like I don't generalize men all being sexist, I don't want feminists being generalized as aggressive.

like it was said in a similar discussion months ago, it's also about context. in a group of friends this might be funny because you know how it was meant.


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Re^4: How many man-hours would you estimate you have invested in learning Perl?
by shetech (Initiate) on Apr 06, 2013 at 20:28 UTC
    Just so. And this is one of the primary reasons why I don't hang out in communities like this very much, and is the reason why I don't attend developer conferences. Every step I take in that world is a reminder of why I'm not welcome.
      that's a pity. :-/
      I have to say that my personal experience at YAPCs and perl workshops is very good; I even was member of the orga team for the first time recently. We added a short policy against discrimination and harassment to our call for participation. I would like to encourage you to participate in conferences, and in case of an issue, talk to the orga team or the person in question; maybe that's the best way to make the right people aware of the problem. =)
      Please don't take this community as an example. There seem to be some people who make bad jokes (possibly unintended), and unfortunately a number of machos who take part in such discussions and use all means to discredit anybody who is complaining. This is easy because it's anonmyous.
      I guess at conferences this is better. If those people are attending (what I doubt), then at least they usually don't dare to say aloud what they've written here.
        Yes, and no matter how good at Perl they might be, we don't need people who can't interact with anyone who isn't just like them. We especially don't need them to loudly paint Perlmonks and by association the Perl community as just like them.

        I encourage you to post with a nym, even if it's an alias. The more real people who say,"this? This doesn't fly for Perl people," the better.

      Every step I take in that world is a reminder of why I'm not welcome.

      Try skipping :)

      Being oversensitive surely feels that way. I'll tell you a secret, we all feel not welcome at times. Some of us did not find an organization to amplify and return the feeling yet though.

      Jenda
      Enoch was right!
      Enjoy the last years of Rome.

        Over sensitive. Sure. You've just been told that something that is an immutable part of who you are: female, minority, foreign - is inherently less. No, that isn't painful at all.

        It's the death of a thousand paper cuts.

Re^4: How many man-hours would you estimate you have invested in learning Perl?
by Anonymous Monk on Apr 04, 2013 at 21:57 UTC
    I just popped up to say "Hello!"
    I'll soon return back down below
    I came to further my agenda
    That single issue you'll remember
    My raison d'etre for contributions
    No questions to ask nor proffered solutions
    No molehills flattened just mountains raised
    My PC issue for which I must be praised
    My single issue to disturb the peace
    The issue that gives my life its lease
    And now I've done my duty clear
    That's it. I'm out of here
      Huh. Emotional invalidation. It's pretty sad that you think I base what I think about myself on your opinion. Yes, it does make me a little angry - being spat on does that - but I'm more filled with pity at your inability to deal with someone being different from you. Work on those empathy skills. You don't seem to have any.

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