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Re^11: How many man-hours would you estimate you have invested in learning Perl?

by tinita (Parson)
on Apr 08, 2013 at 14:39 UTC ( #1027523=note: print w/ replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Re^10: How many man-hours would you estimate you have invested in learning Perl?
in thread How many man-hours would you estimate you have invested in learning Perl?

First: While I think programs like "send-a-newbie" are great and undergraduates can use sponsoring, that's good for both female and male students. I'm not sure if special sponsoring for female students would be a great help. More important is what females think about the community. We cannot change that with money, but by showing that even if a bad joke was made, it's possible to say "ok, sorry". instead, what always happens, is that the ones who complain are discredited.
The last time pemungkah complained he said something like "if I was female I would find that offensive". And he was heavily critized for doing that. Now he said that he himself felt offended, and still he's critized, and everybody else who complains, too.
If every women who does stand up by writing a complaint is called a feminazi, that's actually even more a reason to discuss.

Second: telling me that it is easy to discuss things here is really not fair. And if you actually do something without discussing it before with the community, I'm sure you get critized for not having discussed. *sigh*
I'm already doing a lot for the community (developing the software and administrating the server for the german perl forum, moderating it, organizing the german perl workshop, being adminstrator of the Berlin.pm list, and believe me, I have to deal with all kinds of nasty persons for that. (Except the workshop, no nasty persons there. We added an anti-harassment policy to our CfP and sent it to local usergroups and universities. That's doing something.)
Guys threaten me with a laywer, guys are making harassment emails and phone calls to my female co-moderator, we are regularly accused to use our power (because we two, the most active moderators, are female) to spread feminazism.
The interesting thing is, the more active my role in the community got, the more nasty people turned up. While I learned to ignore those more and more, it's really not fair to tell me it's easy to write posts in a forum.


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Re^12: How many man-hours would you estimate you have invested in learning Perl?
by educated_foo (Vicar) on Apr 08, 2013 at 15:02 UTC
    It sounds like your German forum is pretty toxic. Harassing emails and calls are things everyone in this thread would probably agree are beyond the pale, but equating them with some joke survey answer just antagonizes people who, like me, would otherwise agree with you.

    In any case, fuck it -- I don't see anything useful coming of this discussion. I regret having tried to participate.

      but equating them with some joke survey answer
      I never did that.

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