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Re^5: how to print out side of for loop?

by Anneq (Vicar)
on May 29, 2013 at 12:37 UTC ( #1035830=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Re^4: how to print out side of for loop?
in thread how to print out side of for loop?

Hey, marto,

Out of curiosity, I looked at other posts from you to virudinesh. Looks like you've been a busy little shiite, making sure EVERYONE else is aware of his mistakes by carefully taking the time to point to his other posts. Learning perl takes time and everyone has a different way of communicating and responding. If you don't like his, then just leave the novice alone and move on to others that you can effectively help. These kind of posts are ok once, but at this point, you are just bashing him over the head. Its not working.

After looking at virudinesh posts, I looked into yours. Though you've been helpful, there are lots of your arsehole replys, jumping on people that are trying to learn perl. This drives people away from perlmonks instead of encouraging them to keep going with it. Stop being such a PITA, while pretending to help.

Don't bother responding for MY SAKE. I'll don't have time for this BS.

Anne

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Re^6: how to print out side of for loop?
by marto (Archbishop) on May 29, 2013 at 21:59 UTC

    This is quite the rash response. You're making yet more assumptions, a course of action which hasn't worked out well for you so far in response to virudinesh. Over the last few weeks many people, including myself, have spent a considerable time talking to virudinesh in the chatterbox, and I've also communicated by /msg. This is context you're unaware of. This issue has been resolved by various people, with various working implementations for several variations of the same question asked in the CB, scratchpad and SoPW.

    Every now and then people respond to historic nodes or ongoing sagas like this, where they don't have all the facts to hand, and jump to conclusions. In such cases they rarely land in the right place.

    "....making sure EVERYONE else is aware of his mistakes by carefully taking the time to point to his other posts."

    You seem to have misunderstood why I linked to their other posts, yet more jumping to conclusions. Working solutions and sensible explanations have already been provided. Pointing out that the core issue is the same as the last time they asked isn't unreasonable. If they had a further question about this, if there's something they didn't understand they're of course free to elaborate on their issue. A repost of the same question with nothing new to add gains nothing, for anyone. This is a reasonable frequent event. There's also nothing wrong with making others aware that this issue has already been discussed by the same person.

    Previously:

    "You can be sure that your response to him did not help. It only resulted in his node getting downvoted"

    If you've been a user here since 2003 I'd have hoped you'd have learned that post reputation is a fairly meaningless metric. Nodes get voted on for a myriad of reasons. tye and merlyn have some fantastic posts on this topic should you care to search for them. Constructive feedback/peer review of replies/code offerings respectively are the only worth while feedback IMHO.

    "I looked into yours"

    What sample size I wonder?

    "This drives people away from perlmonks instead of encouraging them to keep going with it"

    Vitriolic responses, offensive language and code which doesn't actually compile or answer the questions asked could also be contributing factors.

    "pretending to help"

    Ouch.

    "Don't bother responding for MY SAKE. I'll don't have time for this BS."

    So you can say whatever you want to people, but they can't reply? If you actually didn't want me to reply you had the choice not to respond to me.

      marto, You said:

      You're making yet more assumptions, a course of action which hasn't worked out well for you so far in response to virudinesh.

      Assumptions? Hasn't worked out well for me how? How have I been affected? What have I suffered from calling you out for being an arsehole? Perl is my hobby, not my livelihood. Perlmonks is one of my favoties sites. I can still use it. I get excellent help. And when I think I can, I try to give help back. How hasn't it worked out well for me? I you are worrit about XP, then, 10 minutes after my response to you, my XP went up 10 points, without any voting or posting on my part. SOMEBODY doesn't like your contributions! Not assumption, just fact. You need to back off novices and everyone else and stop acting so stupidly. As for MY XP? Nobody is even aware of my usage of perlmonks but me. I don't work for anyone. Its a hobby.

      You said

      "I looked into yours" What sample size I wonder?

      Search for your own bloody name. It doesn't take long to find posts like "Stop it marto".

      Sorry only for apologizing to you. You've learnt nothing. My "vitriolic responses, and offensive language". Really? Who are you? I can guarantee that they are WAY less damaging and OFFENSIVE than your NASTY criticism to newcomers. You're still an arsehole and others seem to agree. Try to learn something from this.

      I should have stuck with "I don't have time for your BS"

      Anne

        "Assumptions? Hasn't worked out well for me how?"

        Posting solutions without testing them, assuming they work, code which doesn't even compile while asserting you're helping people.

        "I you are worrit about XP, then, 10 minutes after my response to you, my XP went up 10 points, without any voting or posting on my part."

        Unintelligible.

        "SOMEBODY doesn't like your contributions! Not assumption, just fact"

        Possible, yet more assumptions. For all you know someone voted ++ on your other posts, I know I did. You have no way of knowing where the XP came from. Since 2 of your posts are (at time of writing) in Worst Nodes by your logic they like your contributions less than mine. Node reputation does not always equate to a loss or gain of XP.

        "You need to back off novices and everyone else and stop acting so stupidly."

        Try taking youe own advice.

        "Nobody is even aware of my usage of perlmonks but me."

        And the gods, and the users who see your posts and chatterbox input. So no, not just you.

        "Really? Who are you?"

        You ask this after stating that all you have to do is search for my name to get an accurate impression of me.

        "I can guarantee that they are WAY less damaging and OFFENSIVE than your NASTY criticism to newcomers."

        How can you guarantee this? Right, you have no way of knowing.

Re^6: how to print out side of for loop?
by Jenda (Abbot) on May 31, 2013 at 13:25 UTC

    Apparently nothing is working for so long that the best result would be for virudinesh to leave Perlmonks and find a job he/she has any chance of handling. Street cleaning maybe. Virudinesh has asked the same question several times, was spoon-fed answers and solutions and apparently failed to learn anything at all. It's one thing to be fresh and another to be inept.

    Jenda
    Enoch was right!
    Enjoy the last years of Rome.

      I've been to many many countries, and have had the experience of communicating with people from many different situations and cultural backgrounds.

      You might be surprised at how many people will NOT speak up when they don't understand what is being said. Some will turn away and ask someone else, again and again, until they find what they need. Some people are so beaten down that they run away from harshness, even when it is aimed at trying to help them.

      Whatever the reason, pride, embarrassment, shyness, language difficulties, its ok to point out where they may be going wrong, but to do it over and over, when it is not working, is pointless. Isn't it?

      Go back and look at virudinesh's posts. He is trying to do something. May even be in a very bad situation.

      NO, DON'T actively try to push him out of perlmonks. Just ignore what you don't like or understand and move on to other posts. He won't break perlmonks. He may annoy some, but they will survive.

      virudinesh can only handle a job like street cleaning? What can be said to you, Jenda? Where to start?

      I'm sure you didn't really mean that and would like to take it back, right? Sometimes we say things without realizing the impact? I've done that.

      I love perlmonks. But allowing myself to get involved in these topics really sucks the fun out of it. Its just that I can't stand it when I think someone is being bullied.

      Anne

        Yes, he is most probably in a bad situation. He got himself hired into a position he's not fit for. Probably by "improving" his CV.

        He may either go back to learning and this time actually try or change the job and go do something he may be good at.

        Jenda
        Enoch was right!
        Enjoy the last years of Rome.

Re^6: how to print out side of for loop?
by Anneq (Vicar) on May 29, 2013 at 14:16 UTC

    Ah heck, marto. That was too harsh. Sorry.

    You have your own way of responding as well. And I jumped right on it. What a hypocrite.

    FYI, I only downvoted your nasties to the novice. You DO often give good help and I hope I haven't put you off doing that.

    Again, appologies.

    Anne

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