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Re: Re: What efforts go into a programming project? (Somewhat OT)by Sherlock (Deacon)
|on Aug 10, 2001 at 21:07 UTC||Need Help??|
Well, it would appear to me that the testing portion of this process has been the part that most people seem to disagree about. Not being very knowledgeable in the realm of eXtreme Programming (XP), I'd be interested to hear from someone who is what their take on testing is.
In your post, bikeNomad, you state: you build the test code first, and then design/code until the tests pass.
Does this imply that when doing XP, you only perform Black-Box tests? What about white-box tests? These can't really be designed until you written the code, or at least done an exhaustive job on the design and know exactly what your code will look like.
Since you can't really ever perform black box or white box tests exhaustively, I feel that you really need to do a good job of both. Does XP provide for this? I only ask because your post seemed to imply that it did not.
To get back to the original post, however, I think you've gone a little overboard on the time spent doing design. Don't get me wrong, I think the more time you can dedicate to doing design, the better (more maintainable, higher quality, ect.) the product you'll develop. On the other hand, it seems like you're skimping on some other areas, specifically, coding and testing (primarily testing). You can have an exquisite design, but if you're not testing against the requirements, your final product probably won't be as good as you'd hoped.
To draw these two points (lack of testing time & black/white box testing) together, let me give you my opinion of how testing should be done.
Black Box Testing:
These should be set up when the requirements are created (just as bikeNomad mentioned). You should know, even before creating your project, what it should produce given various inputs, which is the entire nature of black box tests.
White Box Testing:
Your white box tests should be designed to ensure complete path coverage (ensuring that every line of code is executed). This can't be done until your software has been written. This is very important because you can't possibly test your program against all inputs using Black Box Testing. This technique is helpful in finding different types of errors.
Now that I've rambled on long enough, I think your assumptions look pretty good. I'd add a little time to testing, however. I hate to take time away from design, but I don't think you can really take any more away from anywhere else. Hopefully, this will help you.
For anyone that is unfamiliar with the terms Black/White Box testing: http://www.scism.sbu.ac.uk/law/Section5/chap3/s5c3p23.htmlgo here. This was just the first site I found - I'm sure you could find better ones if you looked a little.
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