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in reply to Stop Using Perl
"just regular dictionaries, in Perl they are called hashes" ... and that, dear readers, is the point at which I'd either leave, open a book or start a game on my tablet or notebook.
Nowadays anyone can call himself a "researcher" and give speeches.
Jenda
Enoch was right!
Enjoy the last years of Rome.
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Re^2: Stop Using Perl
by eyepopslikeamosquito (Archbishop) on Jan 01, 2015 at 08:26 UTC
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Nowadays anyone can call himself a "researcher" and give speeches
So it seems.
Googling for "Netanel Rubin" does not show any evidence of Perl
(or Python for that matter) expertise. At least, I couldn't find
any substantial code written by this guy.
BTW, that is in stark contrast to Felix von Leitner (Fefe),
who clearly is an accomplished programmer with
lots of runs on the board.
I couldn't find any runs on the board for Netanel and,
in his first talk, I'm afraid
he didn't score any.
What I found offensive was his crude use of propaganda
in the camel images accompanying the slides,
and in the talk itself.
At the start of the talk, for example, after acknowledging
that this is his first talk, he urges the audience to say "F*** Perl".
Breathtaking. Did his company really give permission
to deliver such a vulgar talk?
Update:
- reddit discussion of Perl Jam talk in which Netanel Rubin replies that he is not a "Pythonista" (I see no evidence that he is an accomplished programmer in any language) and, embarrassingly, continues to display his ignorance of modern Perl, for which he is taken to task as "a complete novice who never even bothered to learn the language, and is instead relying on popular culture definitions of the language they heard from their equally ignorant peers". Other responses: "the idea that you expect foo($scalar, @array) to be called as if @array were an array reference is just nonsense ... that you showed those slides that claimed that that behavior was unexpected is the very definition of a straw man argument" and "Your argument is incoherent, reflects a misunderstanding of the nature of technical debt and the constraints of project maintenance with limited developer time, and is just about valid as an attack on Perl-as-of-2001 but makes no sense as a complaint against Perl-as-of-2014".
- Bugzilla bug report in which Checkpoint are taken to task for disclosing the vulnerability to the media before Bugzilla had a chance to fix it and for exaggerating the severity of this vulnerability.
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> Breathtaking. Did his company really give permission to deliver such a vulgar talk?
It's an Israeli company, the military has such a strong influence on formation in this society that being offensive (for European standards) is considered a virtue.
I have many friends who came back (often after visiting family) and complained about the "lack of good manners"².
See also Getting behind Israeli 'frankness' ¹
IOW many don't shy away to risk talking bullshit, they expect you to talk back and give them reasons to shut up.
In this sense, Mr Rubin yes you are a prick who didn't do his homework and this unprofessional talk will backfire on you! :)
Cheers Rolf
(addicted to the Perl Programming Language and ☆☆☆☆ :)
¹) Though after reading this blog Are Israeli rude I see Central Europeans somehow in the middle between Israeli rudeness and American "passive aggressiveness" ... of course well balanced! ;D
²) politely phrased (pun intended ;)
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see also Haaretz # Can Israelis learn to have better manners?
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At the start of the talk, for example, after acknowledging that this is his first talk, he urges the audience to say "F*** Perl". Breathtaking. Did his company really give permission to deliver such a vulgar talk?
I think guy was inspired by Eran Hammer's talk about OAuth ;) As for company's permission, from marketing point of view it is most important to be talked about, and a bit of vulgarity and strong statements help to achieve this goal, no matter if they are correct or wrong as long as they are resonate with the target audience, so sure, why not.
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so sure, why not
Well, maybe any publicity is good publicity, but I would have thought the company would want to protect its brand as being skilful, knowledgeable and professional. I can't imagine anything less professional than dropping the F-word in every second sentence throughout a presentation, while being embarrassingly wrong on the technical content.
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A politican in Massachusetts is said to have commented on his bad press by saying something to the general effect of:
Say anything you want about me, but spell my name right!
His point was the same as zwon's: that he welcomed publicity of any sort because name recognition is so important in an election.
But, at that time, the language used in the public press was rather more discreet ...er genteel ...uh, constrained by contemporary community standards.
I don't know which way the balance tips for Checkpoint, but the "F-word" and several others would have been way beyond the pale for any of my employers.
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Re^2: Stop Using Perl
by LanX (Saint) on Dec 31, 2014 at 11:48 UTC
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> just regular dictionaries, in Perl they are called hashes
I browsed thru the pdf and yes it seems pretty obvious at more than 3 slides that he is blaming Perl for not being Python. ¹
Hail Python!°
Cheers Rolf
(addicted t (o the Perl Programming Language and ☆☆☆☆ :)
°) Re^2: I want you to convince me to learn Perl
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