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Re^3: PM Leveling Guide.

by chacham (Prior)
on Mar 06, 2015 at 00:28 UTC ( #1118962=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Re^2: PM Leveling Guide.
in thread PM Leveling Guide.

I would love to have the opportunity to give 5 upvotes for excellent elaborated posts even if I lost XP in exchange.

The problem is downvotes. For example, some people hate certain users, for example, sundialsvc4, and he gets modded down multiple times by the same user via proxy accounts. I've gotten it too, where it was obvious (specifically on two, maaaybe three occasions) that the same user modded me down three times. If mutiple downvotes were allowed, this malicious user, and others like him, would trounce the people they don't like.

Even if restricted to upvotes, there is an issue. The regulars like to upvote each other, perhaps unconsciously, and thus would be more likely to double upvote each other, making PM high ranked comments a mostly exclusive club of mutual back scratchers. That would be a tragedy.

Unless you think this comes up really often, i would suggest simply posting a "I really liked that post" post.

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Re^4: PM Leveling Guide. (downvoting armies)
by tye (Sage) on Mar 06, 2015 at 03:21 UTC
    and he gets modded down multiple times by the same user via proxy accounts. I've gotten it too, where it was obvious (specifically on two, maaaybe three occasions) that the same user modded me down three times.

    "Nothing's obvious unless you are overlooking something." I've personally verified that it wasn't happening to the person you called out. Narrow down the time frame for me and I'll probably verify that it hasn't happened to you, either.

    Yes, people have often jumped to this conclusion. So far, they have been wrong every time. But it is human nature to form such conclusions. Some examples: 590525, 652529, 974370.

    - tye        

      Tye you are amazing. :) I will respond further in private messaging.

Re^4: PM Leveling Guide.
by Your Mother (Chancellor) on Mar 06, 2015 at 02:22 UTC

    Downvoted. I have no sock-puppets so its just the one. You make an accusation without proof based on emotional response and you cite as evidence a monk who has to my knowledge never once answered a technical question with code correctly in seven years, frequently flogs horses, constantly conflates Perl Monks social mores with dungheaps like HuffPo, and gives dangerous, insecure advice under the guise of expertise informed by decades of experience. I began to nearly always downvote this monk in the last few months because the content of posts is usually either of no or negative technical merit and and the social contributions are generally either confused or misplaced or exactly opposed to my compass. I was somewhat shocked recently to see a genuine contribution here that was worth an upvote: Re^2: access array of values without a loop.

      I don't know if it counts as an accusation when i did not name the user. Sundial is an excellent example because he gets voted down so often. I'm not sure the regulars see his posts objectively anymore.

        His posts are upvoted more often than they deserve based on nothing more than geniality, hand-waving, and fluffy technical pronouncements, not the reverse. I think monks see more objectively now having lost the benefit of the subjective doubt over time and repeated proofs.

        I'm not sure the regulars see his posts objectively anymore.

        For the sake of argument lets say they do not -- does it make a difference? I guess that it does not

        IIRC I've seen maybe 5 semi-on-point responses that appear to have helped the OP in some way ... out of the last 500

        Thats a horrible ration, and I don't even vote

Re^4: PM Leveling Guide.
by LanX (Bishop) on Mar 06, 2015 at 01:00 UTC
    yes downvotes should be excluded. I don't see this "scratching" problem, but who knows.

    > and he gets modded down multiple times by the same user via proxy accounts.

    "Modded down" means voted down?

    How do you want to know about these sockpuppets?

    I know a bunch of real people here who are rather critical about the monk you mentioned, me included. I doubt sockpuppets are needed.

    Creating efficient sockpuppets which are not discovered by a database lookup is IMHO quite difficult.

    UPDATE

    I'd try to restrict the multiple upvotes to 10% of ones quota. Like this you'll need at least 20 votes (Chaplain) before being able to.

    Cheers Rolf
    (addicted to the Perl Programming Language and ☆☆☆☆ :)

    PS: Je suis Charlie!

    ) and IIRC did the admins assure more than once that there is no trace in the DB for such a sockpuppet downvote farm.

      "Modded down" means voted down?

      Yes. Oh my. Years later, i am still using Slashdot lingo. :)

      How do you want to know about these sockpuppets?

      I do not "know," but it is a strong feeling. It is based on proximity of their attitude towards a person or post and the time between the downvotes. There are other hints when some people post anonymously, but their wording style gives them away. On a related note, someone, from time to time, follows my posts and downvotes everything i post up to 3 times. He does it in bursts. The best part is, i love it that someone cares. :)

      Creating efficient sockpuppets which are not discovered by a database lookup is IMHO quite difficult.

      Wouldn't that depend on how many servers you have.

      I'd try to restrict the multiple upvotes to 10% of ones quota. Like this you'll need at least 20 votes (Chaplain) before being able to.

      I don't see this "scratching" problem, but who knows.

      You can do a simple test, as you are well known and liked. Create a new account. Post something silly only mildly relevant in SoPW (or how it can be done in another language or environment.) Wait a few days. Post nearly the same comment under your own account. (Or reverse the order.) Chances are, under your own name you will be voted up and cause a chain of other responses of a similar grain.

        > On a related note, someone, from time to time, follows my posts and downvotes everything i post up to 3 times.

        if you have a set of suspicious nodes which were downed multiple times, please report them to the gods.

        They can verify if there is any repeated cluster of accounts involved.

        Some monks here have sympathizers, if they point there finger on you, others will follow (that's life).

        Doesn't mean they are unreal.

        You won't help your cause portraying a notoriously annoying monk as a victim.

        Better keep these two things separated.

        Cheers Rolf
        (addicted to the Perl Programming Language and ☆☆☆☆ :)

        PS: Je suis Charlie!

        PS: I'm not liked. I.e. not more than disliked! ( I'm annoying on purpose :)

Re^4: PM Leveling Guide.
by marto (Bishop) on Mar 06, 2015 at 11:15 UTC

    "and he gets modded down multiple times by the same user via proxy accounts"

    Interesting, do you have any evidence to back up this accusation?

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