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Re: Update the GUI

by CountZero (Bishop)
on Jul 20, 2016 at 06:07 UTC ( #1168111=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Update the GUI

"CSS like"? What does that even mean?

If you take a little effort you will see that the Perlmonks pages are a nice example of good CSS-use.

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Re^2: Update the GUI
by $h4X4_|=73}{ (Monk) on Jul 20, 2016 at 08:40 UTC

    "CSS like"? What does that even mean?
    1)It means not having deeply-nested html tables for everything.
    2)Use of modern CSS reduces the amount of markup making load times faster.
    3)"Tables for layouts are a legacy method that should not be used any more. Layouts utilizing div blocks, and in the near future, CSS3 Multi-column Layout or CSS3 Flexible Box Layout, should be used instead."

    Tons of lots of talks about it and no action. If they have waited this long they do not care, so why bother.

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      > 3)"Tables for layouts are a legacy method that should not be used any more. Layouts utilizing div blocks, and in the near future, CSS3 Multi-column Layout or CSS3 Flexible Box Layout, should be used instead."

      Display Settings

    • Lay out nodelets as <div> instead of <table> ?
    • Lay out main content as <div> instead of <table> ?
    • Lay out threads as <div> instead of <table> ?
    • > Tons of lots of talks about it ...

      It's obvious that we have to stay somehow backwards compatible to

      • people sticking to the (16 years) old design
      • people disabling JS
      • people using the huge variety of options (which were entered over time to please individuals like you)
      • robots parsing PM (like this cool "google" thing)

      That's called legacy ...

      So what's the appropriate reply to your critic?

      • bullshit?
      • stupid?
      • ignorant?
      • you didn't read these "talks about it", but cared to comment?
      please choose two or more!

      > and no action.

      TobyInk acted, I acted, others acted.

      There are already plenty of interfaces and possibilities "to act".

      > If they have waited this long they do not care, so why bother.ッ

      Well did you act yet?

      Provide a migration concept which doesn't kill backwards compatibility and a suggest a better design as default theme, please.

      I've just shown you all some open APIs to do so.

      And please read some of these "talks about it".

      Cheers Rolf
      (addicted to the Perl Programming Language and ☆☆☆☆ :)
      Je suis Charlie!

        42 Errors, 91 warning(s)

        What the people are doing 16 years later is using XHTML/HTML5 in a site that has a HTML 4.01 document type.
        The legacy support you claim looks like it would break for some people if that keeps up.

        That is one reason why people started to use BBcode 17 years ago, post would be portable to HTML changes and it would be harder for people to misuse HTML.

        But If I listened to you. Then everything is all good and I'm dumb.

        \_(ツ)_/

      ++ for reading the questions correctly, however–

      If they have waited this long they do not care, so why bother.ッ

      “They” is a set which includes “you.” Plenty of us care. We just do not have tuits for this code-base. I have said I would be first in line to put in hours on a post-90s rewrite more than once.

        Yo Mama! :)

        I don't think the code base is the problem, as I showed we already have every thing it needs to design better themes.

        It's just that programmers are not designers!

        Me for instance don't feel qualified to think about colors or rounded corners.

        Probably just hiring someone would do.

        If I was forced to build a design, I'd probably just steal colors and fonts from StackOverflow. (At least for a start)

        Regarding better responsiveness and more intuitive handling of the user interface, this could be fairly good achieved with some additional JS without even touching the code base.

        Cheers Rolf
        (addicted to the Perl Programming Language and ☆☆☆☆ :)
        Je suis Charlie!

      There are tons of talks about chemtrails, that doesn't make them right. Besides ... there's tables for layouts and tables for ... wait for it ... tables. If it looks like a table onscreen, it ought to be a table in HTML!

      Jenda
      Enoch was right!
      Enjoy the last years of Rome.

        And there is also CSS that can make an HTML element act just like a table reducing HTML. display

        <style> .side { width:150px; display: table-cell; } .content { display: table-cell; width: 90%; } .wrap { display: table; width: 100%; } </style> <div class="wrap"> <div class="side">Left Side</div> <div class="content">Content</div> <div class="side">Right Side</div> </div>

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