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Problem with number of votes (02/11/2016)

by marto (Cardinal)
on Nov 02, 2016 at 11:07 UTC ( [id://1175124]=monkdiscuss: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??

It would seem that a rare instance of the vote fairy being late or not having visited has occurred. I seem to recall this happening at least a couple of times in the past, it's a very rare occurrence. The number of votes I have left today is the number I had left over from yesterday. To my knowledge one of these instances was related to a problem with a code change, I don't remember the other root cause. Posting this as it's now been discussed a couple of times in the chatter box. I've also messaged the gods to make them aware of the situation, not that it's a big deal.

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Re: Problem with number of votes (02/11/2016)
by perldigious (Priest) on Nov 02, 2016 at 13:56 UTC

    I did get a chuckle from the irony in the timing of this glitch. I'm a US citizen, and within a week of our presidential election I'm told "I don't get to vote?"

    *Discouraged sigh... Yeah, it has felt like that every time I've lived in a non swing state and I happen to be voting for the candidate of the political party the state never goes to (save for long term incumbents). Of the three different states I've lived and voted in I've yet to be "pleasantly surprised" when I've done so.

    Just another Perl hooker - will code for food

        I understand the frustration, obviously I've felt it myself since I made the comment above, but politicians today making changes to the fundamental structure of the US electoral system that has existed for over 200 years is a very unsettling thought to me. I think it's more likely that we would end up worse off if we abolished the electoral college system, but that's just my opinion because I agree with the arguments of some of our founding fathers regarding it. Namely it acting as another "balance" in the system of checks and balances that helps to prevent what John Adam's refered to as the "tyranny of the majority". Oddly enough, the result of my above complaint could be interpreted as one of the direct intents of our founding fathers in creating the electoral college, and their reasoning doesn't seem to me to be any less relevant today than it was then. It's natural to want things to be simpler and to say that a simple majority vote should decide elections, and there are good arguments for that, but there are also good arguments against it. It's been almost a decade since I read them, but the Federalist Papers and the Anti-Federalist Papers are really good (albeit dry and more difficult to follow without annotations for historical context) at explaining both sides of the arguments that went on at the time regarding the US constitution, and straight from the source of some of the most prominent founding fathers. All of whom, even though they are often debating opposite sides, were obviously extremely smart people who didn't decide any of their opinions without a lot of critical thinking and constant revaluation of them.

        I don't disagree that there are problems in the US electoral system, but I think it's more of a, "the devil is in the details" sort of thing. Again, it's just my opinion, but things such as state district gerrymandering, lack of legitimate 3rd party prospects for office, the near inability of a candidate of one of the major parties to stray from their party platform on any issue, etc., are mostly caused by the political party leadership themselves cleverly (albeit distastefully) exploiting the system for their own benefit. In a weird way I can't even blame them, they are just pursuing their own self interests as best they can within the system that exists. While I'm all for making changes that can eliminate a lot of the unsavory things that go on, I think those changes should come in the form of closing loopholes that exist in the current system, not largely throwing away the current system and replacing it. I say this because again, I think that the politicians of today being able to "do it better" than the politicians then is an unlikely prospect in the extreme. Reading and trying to follow their arguments, it's obvious none of them were following whims or failed to very thoroughly think through each and every sentence that was written and (albeit not without dissent) agreed upon.

        Just another Perl hooker - will code for food
Re: Problem with number of votes (02/11/2016)
by kcott (Archbishop) on Nov 02, 2016 at 18:24 UTC

    G'day marto,

    I got the same "vote" problem and also noted a "time" problem which may be related.

    [Note: My current timezone (AEDT) is UTC+11]

    Yesterday, I used all my votes and logged off about an hour or so before I expected any more votes. No problems were noted at this point.

    This morning, I first referenced my home node: '...?node=kcott'. I wasn't logged in yet. I have no automatic login set up nor do I store passwords. It showed kcott was last here about 14 hours ago: this looked correct and, unaware of any problems, I didn't note the exact date, time or any other information.

    I then logged in. This was successful, inasmuch as my home node looked normal in terms of content, CSS, etc.; however, instead of seeing the expected "last here ~14 hours ago", it showed "last here 0 seconds ago". I still have no votes available.

    I subsequently checked "Timezone Settings" and cookies: nothing unusual here.

    [In case it matters, I used 'http://www.perlmonks.org/' exclusively.]

    — Ken

      Yep, sorry - I had to disable the timezone support for the time being; see Tidings.

        OK. Thanks for the heads-up.

        — Ken

Re: Problem with number of votes (Last Time?)
by LanX (Saint) on Nov 02, 2016 at 14:13 UTC
    > I seem to recall this happening at least a couple of times in the past,

    me too, last time at most 1 or 2 years ago.

    But unfortunately I can't find any protocol in "Perl Monks Discussions" ...

    Cheers Rolf
    (addicted to the Perl Programming Language and ☆☆☆☆ :)
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