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What is a troll?

by trippledubs (Hermit)
on Mar 21, 2017 at 09:57 UTC ( #1185326=perlmeditation: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??

Trolling is very powerful. It does not fool many here, but it CAN fool the unwary. Information is becoming consumed as such a fast pace that it becomes scary. Ideas are very powerful, but elders and young people must learn to build their character, use logic to question their own bias, work very hard to embrace change peacefully. Violence scares me because I'm a veteran and have seen what it can do. I will not take for granted that it can not happen here, but I will also not let fear rule my life. When it is used, must be used morally for self defense only. Many may question if to use this tool for selfish purposes during the coming years. The answer is no.

I can not know if our leaders are moral, but people lose faith in their credibility anyways because they can not question them for themselves. Social contract is very important idea, but the future is here and social contracts are made with web sites, gives people a sense of belonging, and COMMUNITY is very important concept. But one must choose to belong in online communities that promote moral behavior.

Question the rules, especially demagougery, embrace change peacefully. I think how stupid this game is, agree that it is just a list on the internet, but what if the desire to become on this list could show one 5 year old terrorists mind to learn perl instead of bomb making? Or show someone who was just fired; do this in the mean time and not worry too much. Your quality of life may suffer, but you can still belong to a community that values you. What certainly is true is that information can trigger a fight or flight mechanism in people. This scared me but, easily harnessed, just go exercise. Learn value of this game in US Military Monastery.

A troll is someone who spreads fear, has no character to resist impulses, does not vote on evaluation of content, uses bias to marginalize others ideas instead of defeating them through reflection using logic, not ignore, this is bad way to defeat. There are many demagogues in the world that teach stupid ideas, people embrace them because they are scared, have little hope.

I have studied in this school for 5 years, and it is my favorite online community! I would keep it sharp, use my talents to make it grow, make sure value is recognized. I think this xp game will be taken more seriously by millennials than you think. I also think pm will survive many efforts at marginalization, and I think perl will too. Because it is a great tool and there are years of evidence in the Monastery so people can judge for themselves. It is not which tool that is important as long as the tool you pick up is not used for violence|hacking.

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Re: What is a troll?
by shmem (Chancellor) on Mar 21, 2017 at 12:07 UTC
    troll is someone who spreads fear, has no character to resist impulses, does not vote on evaluation of content, uses bias to marginalize others ideas instead of defeating them through reflection using logic, not ignore, this is bad way to defeat. There are many demagogues in the world that teach stupid ideas, people embrace them because they are scared, have little hope.

    Your troll description is too specific; other intentions as well as other moods, deviations, personal disorders and/or strategies of gratification for one's self may be present. So I'll stick with the canonical definition.

    The members of this Monastery are spread throughout the world; joining the US Military is not an option for many of us. And I for sure would never choose the US Military as the institution to learn something about anything.

    This site is about a programming language. It isn't about the use of this language for good or bad (according to one's own view of goodness or badness). It isn't about interaction, strife or cuddling with the people involved here, it isn't a "social network site", although it is possible to communicate in a more intimate way via private messages.

    Oh, the XP issue? Just don't care, brother. The rules are clear, and they won't change any time soon. Pretend to be welcome, and you will be welcome.

    Man kann nur ausbilden was man sich einbildet. - sorry, can't translate that one proper, but roughly: you can only develop what you imagine.

    So, if this XP game is rigged and foul-playing on you, that's how it goes. For you.

    perl -le'print map{pack c,($-++?1:13)+ord}split//,ESEL'
Re: What is a troll?
by BrowserUk (Pope) on Mar 21, 2017 at 19:17 UTC

    Look in a mirror.

      A) Feeding a troll.
      B) Retaliatory trolling.
      C) Bad humors / Dyspepsia.
      D) All of the above.
        B) Retaliatory trolling.

        Like your anonymous snipe from the sidelines?

Re: What is a troll?
by faraco (Acolyte) on Mar 27, 2017 at 10:41 UTC

    A troll.

    Do you know how raccoons can be so slick at surviving?
Re: What is a troll?
by 1nickt (Parson) on Mar 21, 2017 at 13:40 UTC

    Hi trippledubs,

    I appreciate this commentary and find the introspection that it instigates to be a fresh, good thing in these musty halls, as I did your other thread. I've upvoted all your posts and downvoted those who bashed you reflexively. I have no doubt that you are "genuine" and your goal is to continue to learn from, and participate in, and improve, the world around you. How can this not be laudable?

    This is a teaching monastery devoted to Perl, though, so I feel that you will move forward towards your worthy goals more expeditiously in this corner of the world by turning your focus back to the language itself. You have much to learn, and there is much you can learn here. At the same time, you have much you can teach. Your insightful eye and circumspect thinking about things combine with a facility for allegory, and could be used to bring a new perspective to the young monks you've mentioned, when they come with addled, inexperienced minds to ask a basic question, only to be sometimes overwhelmed with the depth and detail of the old ones' answers. Give what you have and your rewards will multiply, both in worthless XP and in worthy coin, such as meaningfulness of your life.

    In other words, let's get back to work, brother!


    The way forward always starts with a minimal test.
      Thanks! That sounds like a plan. Think I'm giving up recreational internet for awhile. All this bad (fake?) news in the world can make even an optimist like me cynical. Sincerely sorry if I caused any bad feelings. Just wanted to shake things up a little. Probably could have been done a little more respectfully for sure. Fist bump, be back after Easter.
Re: What is a troll?
by sundialsvc4 (Abbot) on May 17, 2017 at 16:02 UTC

    PerlMonks is one of the oldest online international programming communities on the Internet.   It attracts all kinds of people – most of whom are opinionated.   But, if you want to know anything about the Perl language, this is the “go to” place ... and that, in the end, is the true point of it all.   Not trolling, or judging other people, and certainly not politics.   The site will never be marginalized, and neither will Perl, because both serve a valuable ongoing purpose.

    You decide if things like experience-points matter to you.   If you play a game to get the high-score, go for that high score and stand proudly when they crown you Pope.   Otherwise, forget about it, and just stay focused on that soul who has a question ... who is dead in the water with Hell breathing down his neck ... and who needs the proper answer fast.   That person is why PerlMonks exists, and that person, more than anyone else, is who it serves.

    You will find that you actually have very little time to spend on questions like, “What is a troll?”

      "You decide if things like experience-points matter to you."

      You've expended a great deal of time complaining here in many threads that you've been downvoted and lost XP.

      "just stay focused on that soul who has a question ... who is dead in the water with Hell breathing down his neck ... and who needs the proper answer fast"

      The answers you give here are by far absolutely terrible advice, you're repeatedly called out for giving the same tired incorrect advice, but you make no apology for regurgitating it time and time again. The only reason Worst Nodes isn't full of your name is because you stopped posting between 28/10/2015 and 12/05/2017.

        Chuckle ...   Let’s not go there, shall we?

        Like I said:   the true focus of PerlMonks, even “almost two decades later,” still is(!):   “the poor soul who has a question.”

        (It isn’t:   “the petty-politics of the participants who answer those questions.”)

        And the merit of PerlMonks, perhaps in spite of itself, is that it is still the very best(!) place on the Internet to go for answers relevant to this particular area of interest.   (“If you desperately need a best-answer, go here and nowhere else.”)

        So ... “these supplicants” are our customers, and “the trolls,” frankly, are irrelevant.

        If you “give great answers, as best you can,” you can’t go wrong ... on this or any other forum on Earth.   Stay focused on just one thing:   “giving great answers to those who need the great answers that you know how to give.”   Forget the rest of it.

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