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OT: Got fired this week

by karlgoethebier (Prior)
on Mar 23, 2017 at 09:43 UTC ( #1185585=perlmeditation: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??

As i'm aged 60 + i guess i'll never get a new job. I think i need to face retirement. I first thought to delete my account on PM and through away all the code i ever wrote as well as my hand library and forget about everything related to programming. But it isn't so easy. I spent the last 20 years with this stuff. I'll stay a bit here - for fun. And perhaps i'll learn a new programming language ;-)

Update: What should i say? I'm deeply moved. Thank you very much to all for encouragement and good advice.

Best regards, Karl

«The Crux of the Biscuit is the Apostrophe»

Furthermore I consider that Donald Trump must be impeached as soon as possible

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Re: OT: Got fired this week
by BrowserUk (Pope) on Mar 23, 2017 at 10:03 UTC
    I first thought to delete my account on PM and through away all the code i ever wrote as well as my hand library and forget about everything related to programming.

    Don't!

    I'm not yet 60 but I've been semi-retired for over a decade (I only work from home; only on projects that interest me; and the only meetings I'll attend are telephone meetings, and then only those with 5 people or less taking part), and trust me, you'll need the mental stimulation.

    For all the satisfaction you can derive from all those jobs around the house and garden that you've been promising yourself you'll get to one day -- building a wall; laying a patio; making a replacement screw for the one you lost whilst changing the battery in your watch -- you'll still need the mental stimulation that comes from tackling hard, logical problems like programming. At least I do.

    I'd say that is 95% of the reason I still come around this place after 12 years; the supply of stimulating problems to wrap my head around. It is just a shame they are so few and far between these days.

    (Sorry to hear you got fired.)


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Re: OT: Got fired this week
by hippo (Abbot) on Mar 23, 2017 at 10:08 UTC

    Sorry to hear that, especially since it sounds like a job you enjoyed. However,

    As i'm aged 60 + i guess i'll never get a new job. ... I consider that Donald Trump must be impeached as soon as possible

    That figure which you deplore so much has recently landed a new job. He's 70. If that utter failure can get a new, prestigious job, so can you. You are better than him in pretty much every way (I've not seen your hairstyle) so let that be your fillip.

    Go get 'em!

      >  He's 70. 

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Re: OT: Got fired this week
by LanX (Bishop) on Mar 23, 2017 at 10:29 UTC
    Hey Karl,

    One of my coworkers is a retired lady in her mid 70s doing COBOL as a freelancer.

    Many projects are still running Perl applications but failed to train personnel.

    The only drawback might theoretically be the need to show flexibility and move to a new location.

    But truth is that mentioned lady is now working 100% remotely.

    I'd say conditions for elderly experts are getting better and better recently .. :)

    All the best!

    Cheers Rolf
    (addicted to the Perl Programming Language and ☆☆☆☆ :)
    Je suis Charlie!

    PS: and if you are just looking for an occupation, schools are desperately hiring even untrained teachers to provide IT courses.

Re: OT: Got fired this week
by Discipulus (Monsignor) on Mar 23, 2017 at 10:16 UTC
    oh sad news karl! you have all my comprehension

    the work market is a shaggy beast and I understand your guess and even if 15 year younger I've the same fear in the case of been fired.

    Anyway do not give up! you have for sure a good knowledge of Perl and surely about many other IT related things. A job is always possible to find (I hope at least in germany..). As free lance, telecommuter, teacher..

    In any case do not leave PM and do not throw away what you have done of good with Perl. I understand your rage but do not point this rage against yourself or your programs.

    Try to transform your rage into something benefical: reinvent yourself using this rage to demonstrate to the world that your brain and knoweledge is still usefull to the community and that your employer is a piece of shit.

    best regards and best wishes for your future!

    L*

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Re: OT: Got fired this week
by talexb (Canon) on Mar 24, 2017 at 02:36 UTC

    My dear brother Karl,

    You have my sympathies, truly. Getting fired sucks. Financially, it can range from a minor inconvenience to a full-blown disaster, but it can also be a bitter blow to one's ego.

    As my Mother says, from her Growing Up in the UK During War-time Voice, "Never mind, better days ahead!" Stick around .. the company here is great, and it's wonderfully stimulating to read about the technical challenges people face, and all of the interesting solutions that are offered.

    I would recommend, see what you can do to help out an open source project or two. If there's a local User's Group, stay in touch with them. Opportunities will pop up. Stay positive, and keep on trying out new things.

    Alex / talexb / Toronto

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Re: OT: Got fired this week
by shmem (Chancellor) on Mar 24, 2017 at 01:11 UTC

    You'll stay here, immediately!

    But it isn't so easy. I spent the last 20 years with this stuff.

    And that's why. Being fired is a heavy blow, but that's no reason to think you and your experience are useless. That's what they think, not us, and neither should you. It's them that fired you, not us.

    Many esteemed Monks have left, for whatsoever reason. And each one is a sore loss. Think zentara, our perlTk guru. He's around occasionally, great. I miss Zaxo, diotalevi, tachyon and so on, blazar died, well, he won't come back for all what I know, neither does almut. Imagine what this site would be without experienced programmers.

    Do some regression tests with yourself, as with any seasoned software.
    Regressions advance with age. ;-)

    And share your memory whilst you have it.

    (I'm close behind you btw, aged 55, and also prone to be spit out - just a gut feeling.)

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Re: OT: Got fired this week
by uhClem (Scribe) on Mar 23, 2017 at 13:22 UTC
    Rat bastards. But you can make it good. After I couldn't bear web development anymore and begged for a slot in the next round of layoffs (and got it) I went back to school at age 50 and got a degree in forestry. Do that! Or the like. School as a grownup is pretty terrible but also kind of great. And what's come up for me faster than proper forestry work is... web development! But now in data viz and all sorts of researchy things that I had no connection to before, and I love it again. Good luck, man. You're okay.
Re: OT: Got fired this week
by Laurent_R (Canon) on Mar 26, 2017 at 09:54 UTC
    Hi karlgoethebier,

    sorry to hear that you got fired. But don't despair, and don't delete your account. You are still a very valuable individual that can contribute to many things, such as open source projects or other things. And you might even get a new job, even if it might be with different conditions.

    My two cents' worth of personal experience. I am 61 now, and I got fired from my job nine years ago. I thought at the time that I wouldn't find a new job with a regular employment contract. So I decided to move to free lance work. And since I was fortunate enough to have a real expertise on the customer administration and billing system of a major telecommunication operator, I succeeded to work full-time as a freelance contractor during eight years. Better yet, last year, the company for which I was working as a freelance subcontractor figured out that I might be tempted to go to their competitor and offered me a full-time employment agreement at age 60, so that I am no longer free-lance for the time being. And if I succeeded to get hired at age 60 in France, I'm pretty sure you can also in Germany, where it's probably easier.

    Meanwhile, during these nine years since I was fired, I learned a lot of new things that make me more valuable on the job market, including becoming much better at Perl and even learning a new language, Perl 6.

    In brief, you can probably find a new job, even if this implies some changes in the specific conditions of employment. And you can contribute your talent and knowledge to many other things.

Re: OT: Got fired this week
by RonW (Vicar) on Mar 24, 2017 at 17:10 UTC
    As i'm aged 60 + i guess i'll never get a new job

    I wouldn't count yourself out. One of my coworkers is in his 90s and as best I can tell, we've got plenty of work to keep us all busy for the foreseeable future.

    (Not impossible for our customers to throw sand in the works, of course.)

    At least for myself, I'm never going to stop writing new software - paid or not - until I just can't do it anymore.

    Please don't delete your PM account or any of your code. I think you would end up regretting that. And I think you make positive contributions to the PM community.

Re: OT: Got fired this week
by sierpinski (Chaplain) on Mar 23, 2017 at 20:06 UTC

    Sorry to hear that, but I concur with the rest -- don't rage-delete all of your stuff... As mentioned before there's always freelance work, teaching, or even consulting. Lots of companies have huge perl environments -- I know my location does.

    Just hang in there, take a breath, and figure it out when the emotional distress has largely subsided.

Re: OT: Got fired this week
by nysus (Priest) on Mar 25, 2017 at 19:45 UTC

    I'm now almost officially old enough where I can say I'm "pushing 50" (f**************ck). It doesn't stop me one bit, though. It's all a frame of mind. I look at it as a hobby which I enjoy. Kind of like the woodworker out in the garage making stools and chairs for the challenge and joy of it. As far as a job goes, my brother-in-law is pushing 65. He's job-hopped like almost 10 different employers in the past 10 years as a software developer. I'm sure it's tougher to get a job, no doubt, but it's not impossible.

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Re: OT: Got fired this week
by Anonymous Monk on Mar 23, 2017 at 16:00 UTC
    I hope I make it to age 60 so I can be fired too! xD

    Hang in there ... age matters little in this industry.

Re: OT: Got fired this week
by prysmatik (Sexton) on Mar 29, 2017 at 14:10 UTC

    My heart beats for you good man.

    It's unfair and unapologetic, but also temporary. Take your moment respite, allow the bitter pill pass.

    Take comfort that there are opportunities. Knowledge is power and someone will want to gather yours. 20yrs experience of true programming prowess goes a long way in an age of point-and-click assembly of 'code'.

    The zen was not in your office, or on your computer, in those books or hard drives. Please reference Book 9 of the Tao of Programming. And know I mean it in the warmest and most positive light.

    There is more to your story.

Re: OT: Got fired this week
by didier (Vicar) on Mar 27, 2017 at 22:01 UTC

    Positive things happen all the time. Stay open minded and you will chart a new path.

Re: OT: Got fired this week
by Anonymous Monk on May 12, 2017 at 00:37 UTC

    If I may be utterly frank:   “more than forty years ago, I learned (the very-hard way ...) not to rely upon anyone, other than myself, for any sort of “job security.”   I very quickly realized that I was faced with a cut-throat labor market that did not give a tinker’s dam who did the work, nor where that person lived, as long as that person “somehow survived a race to the bottom.”

    Since then, I have also been forced to realize that you just might get fired for no more good reason than “you might cause the company’s insurance premiums to go up.”

    Nevertheless:   “in the very town in which you now live, there is someone who desperately Needs A Fuller Brush.™”

    Never mimd(!) the “Monsters,” nor any other Labor Broker who is perfectly willing to sponsor yet-another H-1B (or “fill in the blank”) non-immigrant visa-holder ... in order to add your name to a list of hundreds of others, just hoping that (any) one of them will stick ...

    Re-discover:   Your Town.”   Who, within your own city, doesn’t want to bother with “the usual suspects” to fill their requisition?   Why should they choose to buy from you?   Why are you the least risky decision?   And, so on ...

      "...there is someone who desperately Needs A Fuller Brush.™"

      Holy Moly! Déjà-vu™. The dark side of the Force is back? This is at least DEFCON 3.

      «The Crux of the Biscuit is the Apostrophe»

      Furthermore I consider that Donald Trump must be impeached as soon as possible

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