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Re: Think Perl 6 (new book)

by 1nickt (Prior)
on May 18, 2017 at 21:15 UTC ( #1190566=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Think Perl 6 (new book)

"Perl6" is not Perl. It's not relevant here. It just has a similar name, unfortunately. You might as well ask for opinions on the latest book about Blorgle.


The way forward always starts with a minimal test.

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Re^2: Think Perl 6 (new book)
by jdporter (Canon) on May 19, 2017 at 17:39 UTC

    I don't want to impede ongoing discussion on this topic, as it seems to be lively and for the most part respectful. But I would like to clarify one thing.

    PerlMonks is a community. In this community, there is a general consensus that Perl 6 topics are acceptable. Obviously not everyone is going to agree with this, but at least as of today this is within the community's norms.

    Perl 6 does not (yet) have its own community site like PerlMonks. And given that the Perl 6 community is made up almost entirely of members of the "true Perl" community, I'm happy to host their discussions here, if they like -- Raiph and his posts being an obvious example.

    At the same time, I would encourage all who post on the Perl 6 topic to include the "[P6]" prefix on their title lines, as a service to all, in just the same way that "off topic" posts get the "[OT]" tag.

    Thanks.

    I reckon we are the only monastery ever to have a dungeon stuffed with 16,000 zombies.

      I would encourage all who post on the Perl 6 topic to include the "P6" prefix on their title lines ...

      What to do, then, when a thread about Perl is hijacked and begins to discuss "Perl6" ?


      The way forward always starts with a minimal test.

        Replies do not have to have the exact same title as their parent.

        So, yeah -- good point. If someone replies to a non-Perl-6-specific post with a Perl-6-specific one, he should add the "[P6]" to his reply's title.

        Of course, such conventions are only sporadically followed, so it behooves the reader to "be liberal in what you accept".

        I reckon we are the only monastery ever to have a dungeon stuffed with 16,000 zombies.
        What a question?

        If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying: Let us go and worship other languages (languages that neither you nor your fathers have known, languages of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other, or languages of other operating systems), do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity Do not spare him or shield him. You must certainly put him to death Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people.

        Continue This Holy War, Oh Brother!

Re^2: Think Perl 6 (new book)
by stevieb (Abbot) on May 18, 2017 at 21:44 UTC

    That's akin to saying that perl4 is not Perl.

    To that end, perl1, perl2 or perl3 either.

    I personally appreciate what you have to say, and you as a person, but your digging at perl6 is a bit ~disturbing~.

    Why?

    Is it a fear of Perlmonks being taken over? A fear of a job loss situation? I'm seriously curious, legitimately.

      Not akin at all. Your Perl 4 program *is* Perl and will run under Perl 5. "Perl6" is a different language, as its own promotional blurb states .... so why does it continue to use the same name?


      The way forward always starts with a minimal test.

        Because Larry Wall, the inventor and still current authority over the language Perl says so?

        I still don't grasp what the issue is. Someone creates something; someone updates their thing into separate tracks; ...

        I guess what I don't understand is why some people are so fundamentally angry about it. I would love to have all of the arguments laid out logically. Who cares what the new language is called realistically. I don't understand how it affects some people emotionally. It could be called (taking a quip out of "American Gangster") "Blue Dog Shit".

        What's the difference? Why the hatred? Why does one care? What ties does one have to the name "Perl" that makes one so angry?

Re^2: Think Perl 6 (new book)
by karlgoethebier (Prior) on May 19, 2017 at 15:52 UTC
    ""Perl6" is not Perl..."

    It looks like this becomes your Idée fixe.

    Regards, Karl

    «The Crux of the Biscuit is the Apostrophe»

    Furthermore I consider that Donald Trump must be impeached as soon as possible

      Look, you're a smart guy. This isn't complicated.

      For ~ 20 years or more the word "Perl" referred to a specific computer language. So by definition another language was not Perl.

      Then suddenly, in an attempt to mitigate the destruction done by their colossal egos and stubbornness, we find that, having finally acknowledged that P6 is *not* a successor, the P6 group simply decreed a change in the meaning of the word "Perl" to: "a family of languages."

      (This is because, as the various official Perl publications repeatedly state, today, "Perl6" is *not* the same language as Perl 5. It's a so-called "sister language", whatever that means. So in order to continue to use the name Perl they had to redefine its meaning.)

      I reject this Newspeak, as I reject the intent behind it, which is to enable a new language, in pre-production development, to freeload on the reputation of Perl, rather than stand or fall on its own.

      Why would I change my opinion about that?


      The way forward always starts with a minimal test.

        I reject the intent to enable a new language, in pre-production development, to freeload on the reputation of Perl

        Hum, Is Perl6 in pre-production still?.

        The brand here is Larry Wall plus minions army (all of them Perl masters if I'm not wrong), not Perl. Perl6 can afford, and should afford, to freeload on the reputation of its own creator. The opposite would be illogical. Would be like to say that "only Ford T are true Ford cars and the next models freeload in Ford T success". Well, not only freeload, also improve it with better security measures, more comfort, less noise, etc

        You can have your opinion but people will listen more if you let go of your hatred
Re^2: Think Perl 6 (new book)
by Anonymous Monk on May 19, 2017 at 00:31 UTC
    What is relevant here?

    Who decides what is relevant here?

      Who decides what is relevant here?

      Everybody. From the approver, to possible considerers, to voters. That's part of the beauty of this site.

        Really? What if a bunch of people joined and decided that Perl is not relevant and we should start discussing python/ruby/js ? Would the local admins continue running this site?

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