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Re^3: Feature: Auto hide. Change: show node vote counts to all, not just logged in users. (bullshit ideas)

by Anonymous Monk
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in reply to Re^2: Feature: Auto hide. Change: show node vote counts to all, not just logged in users. (bullshit ideas)
in thread Feature: Auto hide. Change: show node vote counts to all, not just logged in users.

Your Mother: Yeah! You tell ’em! Bats and bulls living together, and fakers who didn’t think for two seconds between them. Nodes with -10 reputation are valuable too. SJJAPHs, unite!

Yeah,

How many new SOPW have negative reputations?

How many new Meditations have negative reputations?

And still get lots of replies and discussion going past Re^10 multiple times?

Even reaped nodes with negative reputation get lots of followup, even from you

So how exactly are they not valuable? Just because they're "unpopular"?

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Re^4: Feature: Auto hide. Change: show node vote counts to all, not just logged in users. (bullshit ideas)
by Your Mother (Chancellor) on Jul 19, 2017 at 04:21 UTC

    How many SOPWs have -10 (total, not 10 downvotes) reps? None now. It almost never happens and when it does, it’s generally deserved. You can raise contrary examples if you know any. When I see them it’s requests for free code or job posting. Neither is of any value or should be shown or spidered.

    I don’t recall replying to reaped nodes. They aren’t instantly reaped you know and when I’m here, I’m a compulsive Recent Threads refresher with a post template and 90wpm hands.

    There is only one monk posting nodes that land below -10 reputation as a rule. Worst nodes of the day, the week, and the month are all owned by this monk. Once the sabbatical period catches up, it will be all or close to all of worst nodes of the year, again. There is not a single other current monk this would affect. Even historically it only would have meant anything to a small handful of monks, including the never quite known as watercrackers despite my attempts to popularize it and logicus; neither always deserved it, in my estimation, but the ethos here is real and needs to be respected. In contrast, a site that expects only answers and never code-free, citation-free, pontification, and bragging like StackOverflow would chew and spit.

    The monk in question posts advice that is sometimes dangerous—and could get a junior dev fired, disciplined, put on a PIP—but has the unfortunate habit of being half-right a lot of the time. Never containing direct answers. Just handwaving, buggy nonsense, C // comments in Perl code, mistaken assertions, advice that was questionable in 1998 and just awful today, constant assertions about wrong node/logout, frequent rehashing of settled issues that are only personal, straight up lies about voting habits, blah, blah, blah, and despite polite requests and helpful advice, this is never corrected. It’s been years. It’s a waste of everyone’s time to call it out over and over and it starts fights between other monks. If the nodes simply disappeared with the votes they are already getting–

    It would be a benefit to everyone and might be the wake-up call that is finally answered. The ringing bothers all of us.

      The monk in question posts advice that is sometimes dangerous�and could get a junior dev fired, disciplined, put on a PIP�but has the unfortunate habit of being half-right a lot of the time. Never containing direct answers. Just handwaving, buggy nonsense, C // comments in Perl code, mistaken assertions, advice that was questionable in 1998 and just awful today, constant assertions about wrong node/logout, frequent rehashing of settled issues that are only personal, straight up lies about voting habits, blah, blah, blah, and despite polite requests and helpful advice, this is never corrected. It�s been years. It�s a waste of everyone�s time to call it out over and over and it starts fights between other monks. If the nodes simply disappeared with the votes they are already getting� It would be a benefit to everyone and might be the wake-up call that is finally answered. The ringing bothers all of us.

      Amen!

       

      How many SOPWs have -10 (total, not 10 downvotes) reps? None now. It almost never happens and when it does, it’s generally deserved. You can raise contrary examples if you know any.

      Almost never since when?

      Id say its enough, whatever the actual percent of 1.2million nodes ; basically anything expressing unpopular opinion or deemed to express it generates discussion and goes negative reputation (me sensitive? I -- you )

      One example (probably) how to detect an email ? both approved and frontpaged by Corion , there are lots of them around, Web developer questions, O'reilly some sort of perl monopoly?, (OT troll) New Section: PHP , but they're hard to find as super search doesn't sort by reputation

       

      When I see them it’s requests for free code or ... Neither is of any value or should be shown or spidered.

      Lets see, it hasn't be a criteria for 18 years, its not a criteria for approval ... but now it needs to be effectively reaped ( a click to display and hidden from search engines) because "no value" posts are unbearable

      As a bonus everybody gets to learn from these "invisible" nodes what not to do (traditional reason given to responding to point out the rules/formatting instead of msg)

       

      I don’t recall replying to reaped nodes. They aren’t instantly reaped you know and when I’m here, I’m a compulsive Recent Threads refresher with a post template and 90wpm hands.

      Sure they're not instantly reaped, but "Re: Reaped:" is responding after they're reaped cause it was important enough not to be reaped

      For example Reaped: Re: Reaped: What was the date that perl actually died?

       

      There is only one monk posting nodes that land below -10 reputation as a rule. Worst nodes of the day, the week, and the month are all owned by this monk. Once the sabbatical period catches up, it will be all or close to all of worst nodes of the year, again. There is not a single other current monk this would affect. Even historically it only would have meant anything to a small handful of monks, including the never quite known as watercrackers despite my attempts to popularize it and logicus; neither always deserved it, in my estimation, but the ethos here is real and needs to be respected. In contrast, a site that expects only answers and never code-free, citation-free, pontification, and bragging like StackOverflow would chew and spit.

      Isn't "warts and all" part of the ethos, not hide unpopular?

       

      The monk in question posts advice that is sometimes dangerous—and could get a junior dev fired, disciplined, put on a PIP—but has the unfortunate habit of being half-right a lot of the time. Never containing direct answers. Just handwaving, buggy nonsense, C // comments in Perl code, mistaken assertions, advice that was questionable in 1998 and just awful today, constant assertions about wrong node/logout, frequent rehashing of settled issues that are only personal, straight up lies about voting habits, blah, blah, blah, and despite polite requests and helpful advice, this is never corrected. It’s been years. It’s a waste of everyone’s time to call it out over and over and it starts fights between other monks. If the nodes simply disappeared with the votes they are already getting–

      Drinking on the job could get a junior dev fired too, yet drinking is a frequent topic at the monastery, so thats just fake concern, a real shithead move, special rules for special assholes

       

      It would be a benefit to everyone and might be the wake-up call that is finally answered. The ringing bothers all of us.

      Surely there is a better solution for such a spammer, scrub the company username from the database and replace it with a new one, then the search indexing is irrelevant, and we can stop pretending that we care "quality answers"

        Almost agree on parts of your points despite your atrocious, profanity laden, how-to-win-friends-and-influence-people approach. Honestly… if what you want is actually what you say you want, you cannot help but understand that you are doing exactly the wrong things to get it. An approach popular with 15 year-olds but won’t gain any traction here among the special people completely normal professionals.

        I’d forgot that reaped reply, but “Perl is dead” is something I don’t tend to let slide. It’s my money and love and if one feels the need to defecate on it… I might have a positive record correction response, reaped or not.

        You are trying to eat your cake and have it in a couple of ways. A few dozen nodes out of a million spread over two decades is almost never and the solution was for “blind” readers like bots and anonymous monks with anger issues who, clearly, don’t endorse quality in responses.

Re^4: Feature: Auto hide. Change: show node vote counts to all, not just logged in users. (bullshit ideas)
by jdporter (Canon) on Jul 19, 2017 at 14:40 UTC
    So how exactly are they not valuable?

    Remember, we're talking about just "hiding" them in some way, from Anonymous Monk only. To logged-in users like Your Mother, they will appear as normal -- unless the monk takes some measures personally, e.g. via css, to alter that.

    So in answer to your question, this would be essentially a new form of Moderation: Nodes which the community has deemed to be egregiously bad will be hidden from Anonymous Monk, and whoever else doesn't want to see them. More or less exactly how current moderation works with "approval": unapproved root posts are not visible to Anonymous Monks via the usual lists. (They're not hidden entirely; they can still be viewed directly, for example, or found via searching.)

    I reckon we are the only monastery ever to have a dungeon stuffed with 16,000 zombies.

      Approval requires no popularity

      Hiding anything, esp questions/poetry/meditations, from anyone , because its unpopular, is a lethal idea for a website like perlmonks

        Approval requires no popularity

        Not all moderation mechanisms have to work the same way.

        Hiding anything ... because its unpopular, is a lethal idea ...

        I think we'll see otherwise. That's the essence of moderation.

        Also, (just for fun), don't forget NodeReaper's Compass. :-)

        I reckon we are the only monastery ever to have a dungeon stuffed with 16,000 zombies.

        “Lethal idea…” I would ask you to describe how it might be so, just for entertainment, but instead let’s open the yawning hypocrisy.

        This thread has 57 replies in it, so 58 total nodes. If one is not logged in, as per the proposal in question, only 31 of those nodes display due to what I already made a joke about—some notes below… So, this ridiculous, misplaced, ignorant concern of yours… Where is it for the 27 already hidden nodes here? Almost as many nodes are hidden as are shown in this thread. Now. Today. Not in some proposal. This has not been ”a lethal idea for a website like PerlMonks.” It’s risible that anyone would think it could be.

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