Re^15: Patience is a Cheese Sandwich

[Your Mother]

I don't think the EU is a state. It is however a binding economic force which plays a role historically reserved to states and it does many things I personally consider harmful. Along the same lines, the US Federal reserve is not a state either but it sure is a force for ill.

I said key EU members backed the Iraq debacle so a correction using my exact words seems a bit strange. :P My arguments are about dividing political and economic control and coercion, whether state, non-state actor, church, whatever into the smallest units possible. To me this would include disbanding NATO, the UN, and the EU.

Since my philosophy precludes the use of force to achieve any such ends, I'm just the idiot suggesting it might work better for everyone and that how safe and wealthy people are corresponds neatly to how much economic and political freedom they have and to nothing else at all. Double :P

[LanX]

> key EU members backed the Iraq debacle

key EU members opposed the Iraq debacle.

> plays a role historically reserved to states and it does many things I personally consider harmful.

I agree, EU is not trading fairly with third world countries. Though most of them are ex colonies were the ruling class sends theri kids to schools in London or Paris ...

> To me this would include disbanding NATO, the UN, and the EU.

So you are an anarchist in the traditional meaning, OK.

My understanding of history is that without central rule and courts you have violent local conflicts.

Let's stop it here! :)

[Your Mother]

The EU requires you to share personal economic responsibility with every Greek. Since shared personal responsibility is a paradox, it can only fail. There is no local conflict in history that has killed as many persons as even the Catholic church, bringing it back around. I advocate for improvement, not perfection. There is no objective perfection in a natural world and the necessarily subjective pursuit of it has caused immense problems. I'm not an anarchist though I see the charm. I'm a classical Liberal who believes it is every bit as immoral to assert that one can be born into sin as be born into a contract.

[LanX]

> The EU requires you to share personal economic responsibility with every Greek.

Not really.

You probably mean the €uro, but it's just cheaper to bail them out and force them into reforms. ( I'm sceptical though)

It's somehow like Puerto Rico + US now, with the difference that Greeks have equal rights and that Brussels actually sends money.