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Internal server error

by BrowserUk (Pope)
on Jun 07, 2002 at 04:50 UTC ( #172426=monkdiscuss: print w/ replies, xml ) Need Help??

From node 119941 click the word "here" in the following sentance:

Here's an example gobbet (you can see the output from this here:

It causes an Internal Server Error.

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(jcwren) Re: Internal server error
by jcwren (Prior) on Jun 07, 2002 at 05:02 UTC

    Yes, but it causes an internal server error on the sprogress.com server, not perlmonks.org. Something is clearly wrong with the tab_demo.pl script there. If you check, you'll see that if you go straight to that URL, you'll get the same error.

    --Chris

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Re: Internal server error
by George_Sherston (Vicar) on Jun 07, 2002 at 13:43 UTC
Re: Internal server error
by BrowserUk (Pope) on Jun 08, 2002 at 09:22 UTC

    Woe is me! -5 cos I point out a problem, despite the fact that it brought it to the attention of the appropriate person and got it fixed.

    See what being helpful get ya!

    ------------- modified below here -------------------

    Only -1 for a sarcastic comment. Now that justice for you, try and help get -5, make a sarcastic comment -1.

    I guess that kind of explains why so many people in this place choose to critisise, admonish, nit-pick, belly ache and generally anything but simply answer the questions asked. It cost them nothing and gives 25% (33%?) chance of increasing their "rep"...whereas trying to be helpful can cost you dearly.

    If people put as much effort into helping as they do into critising, or even if they simply ignored and moved on from "Bad posts" it would make the experience of starting out here much more pleasant and useful. Does noone believe in the saying that "There is no such thing as a dumb question, so long as you don't ask it twice"?

    It would do the incumbents here well to try and remember their first experiences of the language and of this place. When you first arrive here, you are looking for help. You don't know your way around, you don't know where things are, you don't know the appropriate forms of etiquette and are often quite lost and quite desperate.

    It is much easier to trot out the negatives RTFM or RFAQ or "Did you look here, there, anywhere else" than actually think about the best way to actually help someone.

    Lets face it! I'm going for broke here - if my xp drops below zero, do I go pop and vanish in a puff of smoke?

    I am a real programmer trying to write real programs in the real world in order to scrape a living.

    Not some 'script kiddy' with an over-inflated ego cos he has nnnXP, playing around at uni writing japh's and obfusicated code whilst skipping psych 101, and with all the time in the world to wander these halls like the characters in a D&D, using his accumulated "powers" to smite newbies, adding to their "nodes" tally (not forgetting their "XP"), by simply critisising others without making any attempt to actually assist them or even show them how they can help themselves. Thus, the mighty fighting hacker monk, strokes himself! Sorry, I guess that should be "his ego".

    When I first encountered this place, the anology of the monastary brought to mind images of the David Carradine as a shaolin monk. Serene, retiring people. Disciplined and controlled, attempting to help those that seek it, tolorent of the noviciates weaknesses.

    I now see, that despite the vast majority here for whom that is true, there are rogue elements in the order, skilled practitioners of the arts, but without the discipline to use there powers only for good. The hunt for the rewards has become more important than the altruism.

    How, if commiting suicide by having my xp reduced to 0 is not possible, can I resign my id?

    Why, because I will ask my questions as Anonymous Monk in future - they somehow seem to attract less attention from the ego-maniacal than a named post - strange but true!

      There are so many reasons to downvote this post, we're all fortunate that there is a limitation of only one -- per posting per person.

      It's only "XP". On a scale of valuable, they're somewhere between "Brownie Points" and shares in Enron. If you are going to get all upset about losing XP, then you're going to be a nervous wreck. Relax. Enjoy. Breathe the air and just take it easy.

      Remember, just because you got downvoted doesn't mean people don't like you. It means they don't like your post. Don't read too much into this.
      I guess that kind of explains why so many people in this place choose to critisise, admonish, nit-pick, belly ache and generally anything but simply answer the questions asked.

      I look forward to your analysis of the 170,000 or so user-created nodes on Perl Monks. I've often been curious how many of them are truly helpful and how many are (in your words, those of a "script kiddy").

      I could understand your moral outrage if you'd asked an intelligent and well-formed question about programming Perl, but to paint so many people with such a broad brush because five of a cast of thousands thought that a message saying, "Hey, some other web site is not working!" added little value to the site as a whole is, in my opinion, a bit of an overreaction.

      In the future, before a number in a database somewhere decreases slightly again, you may do well to read Why did I get downvoted?. I highly recommend the last sentence. (Not to spoil the surprise, but ranting and raving about changes in imaginary number is a highly effective way to continue to see said meaningless number decrease.)

        The "moral outrage" was not at my loss of xp, I could care less. The point was that "downvoting" a node for noting an error (encountered on this site, albeit as a result of a link to another), a genuine attempt to help, more heavily than for a sarcastic comment, which served no useful purpose, summed up the problems with the concept of the voting system. An attempt to help drew more fire than a completely non-useful post! I am not sure what other conclusion to draw from that.

        As for the "Hey, some other web site is not working!" - in general, when a link from one site to another is broken, the 404 msg suggests contacting the authors of the source of the link to inform them its out of date.

        So, as I could not edit the post where the link is, and I did not know that the author of the post was the webmaster at the target of the link, I thought (mistakenly apparently) that mentioning it here would allow someone with the appropriate editorial powers to a) Edit the link or b) Inform the author of the link through some mechanism (like the email address he supplied when he registered) that the link had a problem.

        I could do neither of these things, so I passed the information on to those that could, and the change was effected and the problem cured. I agree it wasn't the end of the world, but still better fixed if only so that I could follow the link and read what was there, as I had originally tried to do. <p.Where's the bad? What alternative should I have taken? Kept silent? Ignored it and let someone else or many someone elses find it?

        For the record, I said:

        "Disciplined and controlled, attempting to help" and "despite the vast majority here for whom that is true, there are rogue elements"....

        No broad brush, a carefully worded and specifically targetted expression of distaste at the use, by some, not the many, nor the intentions of the voting system.

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