Yes and maybe.
in reply to (OT) Should math (or adv. math) be required in CIS degrees?
Math is very important if you're doing things like games and accounting. But if you're doing game programming so is physics, so would you include that as a CIS req too?
To me, the bottom line is simply this. If you're going to teach someone programming, what they need to learn first is step by step problem solving. Whether that's mathematical or philisophical in nature, I don't believe makes a difference.
If you can't see how to solve something in steps, you're doomed to hack and peck programming, which will cause you and anyone else looking at your code no end of headaces.
Not to say that we all haven't been guilty of that once or twice... : )
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