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Re: (OT) Professional Employees: who owns your thoughts?

by Abigail-II (Bishop)
on Aug 13, 2002 at 08:54 UTC ( #189725=note: print w/ replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to (OT) Professional Employees: who owns your thoughts?

I'd like to point out that this happened in the USA, the land where everyone has the right be screwed. Laws in other countries differ. I believe that in most European countries the company wouldn't even have gone to court, and if they did, would have lost.

So, if you people are generalizing in this thread (as in "most companies do ...") they are just generalizing for the USA (and mean "most American companies do ..."). The world doesn't stop at the US borders.

Abigail


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Re: Re: (OT) Professional Employees: who owns your thoughts?
by Sifmole (Chaplain) on Aug 13, 2002 at 11:42 UTC
      Do you really think the US government would allow French laws to have any jurisdiction on US soil?

      The fact that Alcatels headquarters is in Paris is irrelevant. It's US law that's used. I used to work for the same (US) company in both the UK and the US - and believe me, the contract had quite some differences in both countries.

      US based companies don't get away with giving their employees of European offices only 10 or 15 days vacation a year - they are subject to Europeans laws; just as European companies are subject to US law for their USA based offices.

      As for the "spirit" of those companies, don't forget the law suit was stared when the company wasn't owned by Alcatel yet. And don't get the impression that if Alcatel buys a company everything is going to change instantly. That will take quite some time, if ever.

      Abigail

        You said
        So, if you people are generalizing in this thread (as in "most compani +es do ...") they are just generalizing for the USA (and mean "most Am +erican companies do ..."). The world doesn't stop at the US borders.
        And I was pointing out that Alcatel is not an American company -- Just a European company perfectly happy to take advantage of USA laws to screw an ex-employee. You can back-pedal all you would like. If Alcatel, being a European company, was so friggin' wonderful they would have stopped the lawsuit.

        Update: Oh as well, Europeans seem to have a short memory when they decide to beat up other areas practices. The industrial revolution in Europe wasn't all that long ago. The general enslavement of the Indian ( not "native American" ) population by the british. The general enslavement of the South Africans, as well as others, by the Dutch. Do European history books still include little facts like indebtured servitude? So the long history of corporations screwing employees, willing or enslaved, goes back to long before the USA ever got started.

Re: Re: (OT) Professional Employees: who owns your thoughts?
by ignatz (Vicar) on Aug 13, 2002 at 11:44 UTC
    It is true that ordinary people in the US enjoy 2nd class status since the Supreme Court's landmark 1886 ruling of Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad Company that gave corporations the same rights as people without many of the obligations (death, sentience, corporeal existence, etc). Still, in these exciting times of globilization I would take heed. Just because you don't live in the US, doesn't mean that you can't be sued here. ;-)
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