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Re: TPJ seeks subscriptions (again)

by davorg (Chancellor)
on Oct 08, 2002 at 08:39 UTC ( #203587=note: print w/ replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to TPJ seeks subscriptions (again)

Or you could give your money to The Perl Review instead.

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Re: Re: TPJ seeks subscriptions (again)
by jj808 (Hermit) on Oct 08, 2002 at 09:16 UTC
    Why, what's wrong with TPJ? Go and look at the back issues page. Do you think that those articles are all so bad that it's not worth producing the magazine again?

    Now I'm not anti-TPR in any way, I think it would be better to have both magazines doing well. At $12 each, this is hardly an expensive proposition.

    TPJ and TPR are not mutually exclusive.

    JJ

      I have nothing against the old TPJ. I even wrote an article for it once.

      But that was a while ago when Jon Orwant was the editor. Since CMP have taken over the magazine has been a shodow of it's former self. Yes, there are still some top quality people writing for it, but I really don't like the way that the magazine and the subscribers have been treated by CMP.

      In my opinion TPR is far closer to what I liked about the original TPJ therefore that's where my support is going.

      And I'm not convinced that the marketplace is big enough to support both - but I'll be happy to be proved wrong.

      --
      <http://www.dave.org.uk>

      "The first rule of Perl club is you do not talk about Perl club."
      -- Chip Salzenberg

        Fair point. I had similar comments from barbie as well when I mentioned this on the birmingham.pm mailing list.

        Personally I didn't mind about TPJ being incorporated into SysAdmin (I read SysAdmin anyway, so it actually saved me money :-), but I appreciate that there are many Perl programmers who do not use UNIX or do not get involved in system administration.

        However, I think that the way in which TPJ is [possibly] being relaunched shows that CMP are adressing these issues:

        • It will be cheaper - $12 instead of $50
        • There will be more issues - 12 instead of 4
        • No need to subscribe to SysAdmin
        Another point is that as it says on the TPJ website, if the magazine is published again, they will need a lot more articles. So for anyone who was dissatisfied with the content after CMP took over from Jon Orwant, just write an article and help the magazine to return to it's former glory.

        So in light of this, please give them another chance. If CMP pull the magazine again, or reduce the number of issues etc., then fair enough - we'll know that they're not worth dealing with. But even if this happens, you'll only have lost 7.67.

        There are some good comments on use Perl about TPJ here. I especially agree with SuperCruncher, who makes the point that TPJ and TPR have different content, so it is not a straightforward case of choosing one or the other. While I have found many articles in TPR to be interesting, there have been more articles in TPJ which have helped me to solve real-world problems.

        And I'm not convinced that the marketplace is big enough to support both - but I'll be happy to be proved wrong.
        We [as Perl programmers] are the marketplace. If we all leave it to someone else to subscribe, this will be a self-fulfilling prophecy.

        JJ

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