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Re: Re: On Generosity of Spirit

by BUU (Prior)
on Nov 09, 2002 at 16:36 UTC ( #211657=note: print w/ replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Re: On Generosity of Spirit
in thread On Generosity of Spirit

I'm afraid i would have to disagree. Look at many of the ancient empires. Sure, most of them eventually 'fell' (if you want to call it falling, which is again debatable) in the end, but so does everything else. For a slightly more recent example, look at germany. Sure they were eventually defeated, but only since most of the rest of the world combined forces against them. Your saying reminds me of that old saw "Violence never solves anything" which is blatantly untrue.


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Re: Re: Re: On Generosity of Spirit
by sauoq (Abbot) on Nov 09, 2002 at 22:56 UTC
    For a slightly more recent example, look at germany. Sure they were eventually defeated, but only since most of the rest of the world combined forces against them.

    The very fact that the rest of the world combined forces against Hitler and the Nazis is more supportive of Fritjof Capra's point than yours. It is, in fact, an excellent example of cooperation triumphing over destructive aggressors.

    Your saying reminds me of that old saw "Violence never solves anything" which is blatantly untrue.

    It's all a matter of perspective, isn't it? Creation and destruction are entirely subjective terms. Violence describes an intense action, force, or change. A volcano eruption might be seen as destructive or constructive but either way, it is violent. In that context, it is hard to read any such meaning into grinder's post or Capra's quote as you have.

    -sauoq
    "My two cents aren't worth a dime.";
    
      All true. We gravitate toward survival and cooperation, and sharing is the clearest path to it. <cliche alert>In helping others, I help myself.  </cliche alert> BUT, never underestimate the necessity of the predator without whom we atrophe. Violent forces create the need for good forces. We are a collection of opposites and dualities that must find balance; let us always try hard, real hard, to be the shepherds and not the weak or the tyranny of evil men. </pulp philosophy>;)

      update: fixed typo

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