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RE: Deep Linkage

by Aighearach
on Jul 21, 2000 at 13:43 UTC ( #23552=note: print w/ replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Deep Linkage

"airgut?" how creative.

I wasn't talking about legality, I was talking about morality. For one thing, it is a highjacking of this site. If people want to look at the pic I posted here, they can damn well look at my home node and vroom's banner while they are at it. That is how I feel, and is not for you to judge. jcwren was offended that I even might want a say in how my copyrighted image is represented, so I removed it from this site. I hardly think we need to resort to name-calling.

Also, I don't know if you are aware of American copyright law, but you don't have to register something. The person who creates a document automatically is the copyright holder of that material, unless they have assigned it to somebody else.

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RE: RE: Deep Linkage
by BBQ (Deacon) on Jul 21, 2000 at 18:27 UTC
    "airgut?" how creative.

    I'm honestly sorry, dude! But, you must concede that you do have a rather difficult handle! I even asked the people in #perlmonks and the best they could come up with was Aigh.

    I wasn't talking about legality, I was talking about morality.

    So was I! I am no authority on internet law, and can't argue in that field. I was discussing morality as well!

    For one thing, it is a highjacking of this site. If people want to look at the pic I posted here, they can damn well look at my home node and vroom's banner while they are at it.

    Whoa! Slow down big fella!! You're trying to say that jcwren, sets up a page with vroom's consense, and its highjacking of the site? I consider jc's page to be almost an extentsion of this site! The content was exactly the same, same users, same pics, just arranged in a different manner! That is hardly highjacking! Deep linking? Perhaps, but not highjacking... Highjacking would be if I took you're pic and copied it onto my machine. Then you might have a valid point. (more on this later).

    That is how I feel, and is not for you to judge.

    Dude, we aren't on trial here. I have my opinion, and I am allowed to disagree with yours, just as much as you are allowed to disagree with mine. We all make use of our judgement on a daily basis, it would be hard not to judge someone else's opinion. It's part of civilized interaction. Who are you to judge what I can or can't judge? ;)

    I hardly think we need to resort to name-calling.

    Sorry, you lost me on that one. Care to explain?

    Also, I don't know if you are aware of American copyright law, but you don't have to register something.

    As I said before, I have no idea of what the american law is, and to be perfectly honest, I don't give a damn... We aren't in America, we are on the Internet. Yes, perlmonks is located within the U.S. But my machines aren't... That's why I copied your image to my server, to make a point.

    I just wanted to ask you this: is all of this mess worth a picture of you at a picnic? A picture that hasn't even been altered, or isn't obscene, or offending (at least not in any way that I can see)?
    Anyone who can't laugh at himself is not taking life seriously enough. -- Larry Wall


    #!/home/bbq/bin/perl
    # Trust no1!
      And now you are suggesting "Aigh" and "air-gut" are the same thing? You insult me again! Yeah, they came up with Aigh, that's what I tell people... just call me Aigh... so of course they did. My having a difficult handle does not make name-calling okay.
      Paris Sinclair    |    4a75737420416e6f74686572
      pariss@efn.org    |    205065726c204861636b6572
      http://sinclairinternetwork.com
      
        No. That was not what I was suggesting, and I'm sorry you understood it that way. It was not my intention to instult you the first time either. Please accept my appologies, Aigh! Air-gut was not meant to be humorous, it was just the closest I could get soundex() wise...

        BTW: Any comments on the rest of the previous thread? Did any of it make sense to you? (not asking you to agree with it, but wondering if you undrestand my point of view)

        #!/home/bbq/bin/perl
        # Trust no1!
RE: RE: Deep Linkage
by spectre (Scribe) on Jul 21, 2000 at 23:10 UTC
    Images and content posted to the internet are legally declared "posted to a public place" - And, since it's all public information, linking to it is NOT a legal issue. Copying it and reproducing it IS an infringement of copyright, but linking is NOT. Your argument concerning copyright law is not applicable in this case.
    Your argument about morality is laughable at best - Posting something to a public place is in effect giving permission to link to it. If you dont feel that way I suggest you dont post things to public places anymore.
    It's common practice on the internet to link to images in this manner, it if offends your sense of morality you're in for a lifetime of being offended, which is fine by me, of course, however I wouldnt want to go through life constantly being offended by an act that is this common.
    Regards,
    spectre
      Yes, and if I choose to think things that common practices are wrong, I am free to protest as I see fit. I hardly see the need for Flog Nodes to be created. What is the point of this whole thread, other than, Aighearach complained in the chatterbox, and is wrong? As for claims of legality, those that have followed the court case know that it is not in fact a clear issue at all, yet, only certain specific instances have been determined. Although, that is somewhat besides the point. If I was making use of somebody elses _private data_ to gain popularity for my site, and they wanted the link not even removed, but slightly altered to point the user at the containing page, I cannot imagine refusing to do that.
      Paris Sinclair    |    4a75737420416e6f74686572
      pariss@efn.org    |    205065726c204861636b6572
      http://sinclairinternetwork.com
      
        If I was making use of somebody elses _private
        data_ to gain popularity for my site,

        Data posted to the internet isn't private, it is legally declared public if it's posted to the public internet.

        Regards,
        spectre
        So, if I'm to understand this correctly, having your stats and a link to an image of you makes a site popular? Sheesh...

        --Chris

        e-mail jcwren

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