I probably should not use word "bloat", I'd better say lack of modularization (on the other hand don't they come together often?). It irritates me as hell that when, say, I need a certain feature of Postgres API I have to upgrade to a new version of PHP. I must admit I'm not doing Java programming for quite long time but your phrase if you need to process XML and you have JDK 1.4 or later, or you want to serialize some expensive-to-construct objects in Java, you can do it without having to download anything new sounds like indication of same problem.
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CPAN frees me from dependancy on core libs. I don't have to wait for a new release of Perl to get new features and/or bug fixes, I don't have to upgrade to a new release of Perl to use features and/or bug fixes. CPAN makes me free from release schedule for Perl.
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