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Re: Reputation and Accountability

by BrowserUk (Pope)
on Jun 12, 2003 at 17:53 UTC ( #265426=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??

in reply to Reputation and Accountability

I'm not much of a CB'er, and I haven't as far as I recall ever been Borg'd, nor do I have any special powers here at the monastery, but from my persepctive, your post and this thread explain and justify the reasoning for the anonimity of these powers. What else could you do with the knowledge of who borg'd you, other than barate them regarding the injustice and/or bear them a grudge for a judgement call?

If you were able to barate the wielder of those powers for using them in what, from your testimony, was a ligitimate circumstance, then that person would now be subject to your indignation and argument. That Borg'ing is only a temporary measure limited to minutes or maybe hours, and the only restriction it places on you is your ability to use the CB, then the only lasting "effect" it has upon you is to serve as a warning--hopefully anyway.

Being Borg'd is your warning, I see no reason for the issuing of a preemptive written one.

Examine what is said, not who speaks.
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Re: Re: Reputation and Accountability
by chip (Curate) on Jun 12, 2003 at 18:14 UTC
    I actually agree with you WRT warnings, there was no particular need for one. Anonymity of the /borg-er is my beef.

    And "merely" berating someone is an important ability to have in any reputation-based society, as the Monastery (full of unpaid volunteers) itself is. You may poo-poo it, but it is necessary. Or else why did you find any need to berate me (which you of course are entitled to do)?

        -- Chip Salzenberg, Free-Floating Agent of Chaos

Re: Re: Reputation and Accountability
by husker (Chaplain) on Jun 17, 2003 at 14:53 UTC
    "Who just shot me?"

    "Some cop."

    "Which one?"

    "I don't know. They are allowed to carry guns, and you probably deserved it. What good does it do to know who it was?"

    "They at least could have warned me."

    "The shot was the warning."

    "Does anyone review police shootings? Perhaps there's somone who's overstepping their bounds a bit."

    "Nope ... they got a gun, they can do whatever they want with it. You don't wanna get shot, stay at home."

      Amusing, but...

      I hardly equate revoking ones CB privaleges* with revoking someones right* to life.

      * Please mark the contrast between a privalege and a right.

      PerlMonks, and by implication the CB, is a privately owned site which its owner(s), be that vroom, YAS, or whomever, grant us the privaledge to use. This, like all privaleges, should not be abused. What constitutes abuse is within the grace of the owners, just as granting us the privalege of use is.

      By the same token, the owners bestow the responsibility and powers of sanction upon the gods and others, that they may use their judgement in applying those sanctions in an equitable manner so that the site may remain the haven of polite, if not democratic, debate that is so rare elsewhere on the web.

      You can argue with the owners of the site that this perogative should be more open or democratic, but you cannot insist that they accept your argument. Personally, I am happy with things as they are--others seem less so--so I'll shut up now:)

      Examine what is said, not who speaks.
      "Efficiency is intelligent laziness." -David Dunham
      "When I'm working on a problem, I never think about beauty. I think only how to solve the problem. But when I have finished, if the solution is not beautiful, I know it is wrong." -Richard Buckminster Fuller

      ++ for a great analogy husker

      Nevertheless, there is a huge difference in degree, and a large enough differences in degree becomes a difference in kind....

        I realized as I wrote it that being shot and being borged are very different degrees. But the analogy hits the same core idea ...

        We don't allow police officers to perform their duties (in some cases, this involves shooting someone) anonymously, because as a society we've decided it's too easy for that power to be abused. Other societies (or governments, actually) have allowed this .. these are called "secret police" and that certainly has NO positive connotations.

        Now, I'm certainly not saying that I think Perlmonks is a police state! Not at ALL. Compared to the majority of other online communities I'm aware of, Perlmonks is a haven of civility, justice, and light, and that's because of the deliberate intents, efforts, and actions of both it's members and it's "ruling party". I applaud all of them/you/us. I can come here and be educated, edified, and encouraged all at the same time.

        My analogy was just to illustrate the point Chip was trying to make (and failing, in some cases) by framing it in a situation that most everyone would grok.

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