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Re: Taking your marbles and running away in regret

by tye (Cardinal)
on Nov 27, 2003 at 02:35 UTC ( #310451=note: print w/ replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to [untitled node, ID 310396]

The node I'm replying to was emptied (including the title) by the author, apparently in regret after several people replied stating that they couldn't understand it (and/or because a few people downvoted it).

See (tye)Re: why a nodelet can be kept against author wish? for a longer description of my position on such things. In short: We all make mistakes, there is no good reason to try to hide your mistakes. I often learn more from peoples' mistakes than from anything else. I appreciate seeing a mature correction when a mistake is discovered, leaving the original mistake visible (perhaps with a line through it or such) so the replies below it make sense.

Deleting your node content is an immature act like "taking your marbles and going home" because you weren't winning. It leaves an ugly mark at the Monastery (replies suddenly with no context).

I have heard a lot of people express (usually strong) disapproval of such behavior and I don't think I've ever heard anyone praise it so, when I found the node had been quite quickly reaped (with a justification of simply "empty"), I wondered if those who voted for reaping realized that they were helping the author to try to "change history" and just make their mistake "go away" and, in doing so, were more likely to encourage future acts than to discourage them.

So I've unreaped the node for several reasons:

  • I feel strongly that such nodes shouldn't be reaped
  • I'm hoping to call attention to this problem and get more feedback on how it should be dealt with
  • I feel it was reaped too quickly and worry that those who voted to reap it hadn't considered the consequences
  • I want the original author to have the chance to change their mind and restore the node or at least insert a mature retraction in place of the sulking blankness
  • I'd like to upvote the node (I haven't voted on it) once the author comes to his or her senses and makes a more mature and less rude update to it
  • and, yes, I don't think the author should get off so easy (once a node is reaped, the author can no longer get or lose XP from votes against the node) if the author refuses to take the mature route
I'd also like to encourage people to not downvote the node. I'm sure it will get several more downvotes despite my request. But I'd rather give the author some time to recover from whatever emotions lead to this retraction and fix the mistake instead of compounding it. If too much time passes or the author makes it clear that they refuse to take the high road, then I will very much want to downvote the node. But I'll check Worst Nodes first and not add to the dogpile if I think too big of one has already formed (which I sincerely hope doesn't happen).

I also don't think it is appropriate to approve an empty root node and such certainly shouldn't be front-paged. If attention needs to be called to such things on the front page, then a PM Discussion root node about it is what needs to be displayed there.

                - tye


Comment on Re: Taking your marbles and running away in regret
Re: Re: Taking your marbles and running away in regret
by Anonymous Monk on Nov 27, 2003 at 02:50 UTC

    Why bother bringing the subject up?

    You have your frequently stated point of view and weild the power to ensure your will is done regardless of it's merits or others opinions.

      Nice troll. I did mention "get more feedback" as well as several other reasons, but I won't respond beyond that since you appear to only want to make jabs.

                      - tye
Re: Re: Taking your marbles and running away in regret
by zengargoyle (Deacon) on Nov 27, 2003 at 06:06 UTC

    thanks tye for explaining what has happened, i was really confused by the empty node and odd replies. can you check the more recent Anonymous posts in that other thread? there was mention about problems logging in....

Re: Re: Taking your marbles and running away in regret
by EvdB (Deacon) on Nov 27, 2003 at 11:02 UTC
    Although I do not know what the question was it does seem to have been answered. As this was the first post by the author and it would appear that the account was created to post the question could this be a misunderstanding?

    Perhaps ricalfonso just stumbled across the Monastery and posted. When his question was answered perhaps he tried to remove the question and could only do this by deleteing the contents? Perhaps...

    Going by the name ricalfonso and the quote 'I don't see a question here, just a couple of sentence fragments.' I wonder if the poster is a native English speaker - sometimes we are a bit harsh on speling and grammer.

    Seems like a bit of a baptism by fire - I too have had posted some ill-judged things that have cost me both in terms of ego and XP - but they teach humility, especially when you take tye's advice and update them but acknowledge the changes.

    --tidiness is the memory loss of environmental mnemonics

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