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Re^5: New Section: Obfu Art Gallery? (change)by demerphq (Chancellor)
|on Apr 23, 2004 at 12:55 UTC||Need Help??|
We've been trying for years to get PM development improved and moving along. We've made a lot of improvements and we've also taken a lot of steps that didn't do much good (at least not yet). So every once in a while we get a flurry of changes. The backlog of things that really should be done is huge.
I think this is somewhat of a vicious cycle. Unless there are Gods that have the time and the inclination to actively shepherd pmdev I think its inevitable that new code comes in flurrys and that we will end up with a backlog. Developing to unstated guidelines (code quality expectations), with minimal (constructive) feedback is as you know extremely difficult and can be quite frustrating for the people involved. If you post a patch and then never hear anything, or observe that of the posted patches only a small number have had any form of feedback you quickly become disenchanted with the process and eventually give up. As for debating code in pmdev why bother if the perception is that the odds are such that regardless of the debate the code won't get applied anyway?
Of all the things that have been done to pmdev the only one that I think will have any real effect and alas also one I've not seen yet attempted is the addition of a god that dedicates themselve solely to dev related issues. Such a god should not participate in other godly duties, and should step down when/if they can no longer dedicate the required time.
My position on all this is well known to you, and im not replying to rehash the CB chat we had recently. I recognize that the gods have lives too, and cannot currently respond to patches as they might wish. However I think its important to realize that this situation is fixable by finding the right person or people to manage pmdev who do have the time and inclination.
Anyway. Ill keep posting patches regardless I suppose. At the very least nobody on the site can tell me to post a patch when i bitch about stuff. :-)
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