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Re: Re: Re: Re^7: Module::Build and the PPMby autarch (Hermit)
|on May 19, 2004 at 21:00 UTC||Need Help??|
No? You mean all those mails ive seen saying EU::MM shouldnt be modified except for maintenance and that any new development efforts should occur in M::B, and that all those posts ive seen saying EU::MM and CPAN will be replaced by M::B and CPANPLUS by 5.10 dont count?
Heh, that's funny. The mails saying EU::MM shouldn't be modified except for maintenance have mostly come from Michael Schwern, who is the maintainer for EU::MM. He says this based on his experience actually maintaining the EU::MM code. See his presentation MakeMaker is DOOMED for details.
Of course, nothing stops you from taking over new development of EU::MM. I'm sure Michael would be willing to discuss it with you.
It seems to me that lots of people have been intimating that M::B should replace EU::MM Real Soon Now™ so when 5.10 comes out presumably EU::MM will be deprecated, and by 5.12 itll be removed.
I think "lots of people" is a gross overstatement. In fact, I don't think Ken has ever said it will happen "real soon now". The few people I've seen discussing putting M::B in 5.10 were Hugo van der Sanden, the 5.10 pumpking, and maybe a few other people on the p5p list. I know that Ken hasn't been pushing this. His attitude has always been that it can go in the core when a pumpking thinks it's ready.
As to removing EU::MM entirely, I really don't think anyone has ever proposed that. There are tons of older modules on CPAN that aren't going to be updated with a Build.PL file anytime soon, and those should still be installable with 5.12.
I really wonder who you've been talking to, because I know you haven't gotten any of these strange ideas from Ken, me, or other people who've contributed to M::B.
So as long as the intention is to ultimately replace EU::MM with M::B then I am essentially forced to use it.
The intention is to provide a better way of installing modules, and to replace EU::MM in the sense that people willingly choose M::B. EU::MM is not going away, and will never be removed from the core, even if it is not actively developed with new features.
Really, save your time here. Go talk to Ken. Tell him that the Build.pl _sucks_ and that a lot of people hate it and that its very likely that policy of breaking CPAN is having a backlash against the whole effort.
You seem to have some really, really strange unfounded ideas about this stuff. Maybe I should tell Ken about that, but if you have a real complaint, I encourage you to tell him yourself.