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• What is this?

by ccn (Vicar)
on Jul 08, 2004 at 08:37 UTC ( #372704=monkdiscuss: print w/ replies, xml ) Need Help??

Hi monks,

I am interested about a funny character '•' in title of every merlyn's post.
Is it his priveledge or just his kidding?

Thanks

Comment on • What is this?
Re: • What is this?
by pelagic (Curate) on Jul 08, 2004 at 09:12 UTC
    •
    merlyn is obviously assuming that people are especially keen on reading his nodes and helps us to find those easier ... ;))

    pelagic
      he doesn't use the &#number entity.
      he uses the more appropriate •
Re: • What is this?
by grinder (Bishop) on Jul 08, 2004 at 10:13 UTC

    My recollection of the matter is that it was merlyn's stand against "vanity tagging" in subject lines. This is a practice that has more or less died out, but if you look through old nodes you will find prefixes with "(tilly) dee dee dee" and "(tye) daa daa daa" and so forth. There were a couple of reasons put forward as to why this was desirable. The most valid point being that it minimised the chance of two nodes being authored with the same name, which was a hassle for linking and searching.

    See •PLEASE STOP VANITY TAGGING for a discussion on the subject

    - another intruder with the mooring of the heat of the Perl

      I note that one of the reason brought up in the thread (automatic Re: folding) has now been dealt with.

      I still want to implement something to block such nonsense in titles though. But its a low priority. :-)


      ---
      demerphq

        First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
        -- Gandhi


        I still want to implement something to block such nonsense in titles though. But its a low priority.

        I hope this does *NOT* get worked on. I believe everyone has the right to write whatever they want in the title, that's why there's a textfield for it. If a certain behavior is required and should be forced on users, it might be better to remove the field and the ability to assign titles to replies, and autogenerate the titles. for individual viewing of notes.

        If the context of a certain reply is really that important, it's better to view the root node and judge from there, it would be just one click away. It does not warrant all that work and policies just so that someone can know that the node they are on is a reply to a reply to some reply to a certain node; it gives little information compared to seeing the actual nodes in a threaded display.

        The automatic Re: folding is great, because it reduces entropy and removes unwanted data from the title, but enforcing titles is really not the best thing to work on.

        </rant>

        He who asks will be a fool for five minutes, but he who doesn't ask will remain a fool for life.

        Chady | http://chady.net/
Re: • What is this?
by dws (Chancellor) on Jul 08, 2004 at 15:36 UTC

    A while back, merlyn told me that he'd stop using • when other people stopped putting "(name)" in their post replies.

    Well, people have stopped doing that, so the ball's back in merlyn's court to either stop it himself, or to change his story.

      OK, new story.

      Up until a few weeks ago, I put • into the reply nodes because I wanted to "subscribe" to the threads to which I had contributed. A quick glance of the "new nodes" page showed me replies to replies to my replies.

      Now, even that's been taken away from me, because the reply-subject-constructor now leaves "re^n" but takes away my tagging.

      Why do people insist on taking things away that I find useful, but not replace them with other useful things, like subscriptions or better searching? That's a net loss, as far as I'm concerned.

      Today I still do it, in hopes that the recent re^-folding logic might be backed out until a good searching or subscription system can be set up.

      Those who have not studied Usenet threading are doomed to reinvent it, poorly.

      -- Randal L. Schwartz, Perl hacker
      Be sure to read my standard disclaimer if this is a reply.

        Now, even that's been taken away from me, because the reply-subject-constructor now leaves "re^n" but takes away my tagging.

        You asked that it be removed. Actually, you demanded that it be banned and claimed that you were adding &bull; in protest until your demands were met.

        I guess you should be careful what you wish for (or perhaps just remember what you wished for).

        Now let's all pick our own dingbat to mark which threads we've contributed to and whine if anyone removes our personal dingbat from reply titles... Then maybe merlyn will remember why he started doing this in the first place and then, at long last, stop doing it.

        Oh, wait. Only merlyn is important enough to warrant a special dingbat for his personal use. What was I thinking??

        - tye (rolling his eyes)        

        I'm missing why this tagging is so important to you; you get a /msg when someone replies, right? What about 2nd- and higher-level replies, you say? Aren't bookmarks and your memory enough? The rest of us unwashed get along fine. =)

        There is much worse out there; you ever tried to track a conversation at fark.com? (No really, we have serious conversations on TotalFark. I assure you.)

        P.S.: I'm a good samaritan, and I perpetuated the * for you. ;)



        mhoward - at - hattmoward.org
        Those who have not studied Usenet threading are doomed to reinvent it, poorly.

        I, for one, would be delighted to see a PM<->Usenet gateway. I don't have access to a newsfeed to put it on, nor do I have a hell of a lot of experience with the admin side of Usenet, but I'll gladly help such an effort.

        --
        F o x t r o t U n i f o r m
        Found a typo in this node? /msg me
        % man 3 strfry

        Those who have not studied Usenet threading are doomed to reinvent it, poorly.

        Those who kvetch without providing links or patches are doomed to be ignored....


        ---
        demerphq

          First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
          -- Gandhi


Re: &#8226; What is this?
by pelagic (Curate) on Jul 09, 2004 at 06:33 UTC
    Suggestion: (although it smells like work for pmdev's)
    New configuration in user-settings:
    Set a list of users who's nodes you want to be tagged(•) in Newest Nodes for easier recognition.
    eg. qw[merlyn demerphq theonetwo pelagic].
    Set a list of users who's nodes you want to be hidden in Newest Nodes because you think they suck.
    eg. qw[merlyn demerphq theonetwo pelagic].
    update
    of course in real the membership in either list would be mutually exclusive ...

    pelagic

      I for one would find some implementation of this useful. I currently achieve that affect by making sure I have visited the homenodes of Monks of interest, combined with a good colour scheme which differentiates visited and unvisited links I can find their nodes fairly easily. But it is very brittle and any of the following break it- if you visit a Monks homenode for some other reason, if you clear or loose your browser history, you work from multiple computers, browser history times out after a while (9 days is the default for Firefox).

      --
      Do not seek to follow in the footsteps of the wise. Seek what they sought. -Basho

        ... and I do it exactly the same way with that in my personal css:
        a:visited {color: #008000;}
        With Opera you can define the time how long you want to mark links as visited ...

        pelagic

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