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Deleting old users

by Wassercrats
on Aug 08, 2004 at 06:35 UTC ( #381003=monkdiscuss: print w/ replies, xml ) Need Help??

ysth thinks users who haven't been here for a certain length of time and have no posts or reputation should be deleted to free up some user names, like Barry. It should be done automatically. That's what ysth says.

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Re: Deleting old users
by Anonymous Monk on Aug 08, 2004 at 07:41 UTC
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      I understand that Wassercrats has created troll nodes and feed them oxygen to fan the flames, however, I see nothing wrong with starting this node. ( Well quoting someone else wasn't the smartest move, but not trollish ). On the other hand, the posts by Anonymous Monk in this node are far more trollish than anything proposed.
Re: Deleting old users
by Anonymous Monk on Aug 08, 2004 at 08:23 UTC
    ysth think ...
    So why do you care? Quit trolling
Re: Deleting old users
by Anonymous Monk on Aug 08, 2004 at 08:33 UTC

    Wassercrats thinks that users who have annoyed the Monastery with trollish nodes for a certain length of time should be deleted to free up the other users time, like this. This is what Wassercrats says.

Re: Deleting old users
by Anonymous Monk on Aug 08, 2004 at 11:55 UTC
Re: Deleting old users
by Joost (Canon) on Aug 08, 2004 at 12:44 UTC
Re: Deleting old users
by borisz (Canon) on Aug 08, 2004 at 12:50 UTC
    I like the idea to delete users without any posts very much. Once I registered myself, I misstyped my emailaddress to a older invalid one and locked my username.
    Boris
      But when do you pull the plug? I say all this sounds a bit sketchy.

      —Brad
      "Don't ever take a fence down until you know the reason it was put up. " G. K. Chesterton
        That belogs to the gods, but I think three month without any post is a good start. The user should be informed about this when he registers himself and It could be repeated in the first email from pm.
        Boris
Re: Deleting old users
by bradcathey (Prior) on Aug 08, 2004 at 13:26 UTC
    Or automatcially delete any user with over -100 XP or more than 10 (yikes) "Worse" nodes ;^)

    —Brad
    "Don't ever take a fence down until you know the reason it was put up. " G. K. Chesterton
      Or how about if users with negative overall XP can't post discussions? Or perhaps /ignore could work on nodes as well?

      bassplayer

        Most excellent suggestion bassplayer, but then we would have nothing to shake our heads at ;^)

        —Brad
        "Don't ever take a fence down until you know the reason it was put up. " G. K. Chesterton
Re: Deleting old users
by Anonymous Monk on Aug 08, 2004 at 13:37 UTC

    Not a very clever idea.

    What would have happened to this?

    I can live easily with somebody who joins and does not contribute. I have more problems with somebody who contributes too much. ;)

    However, I can decide to ignore both.

    Please do the same. Whenever you get an urgent desire of posting something trollish, eat something, drink a beer, smoke a sigarette, find a date, whatever, but stay away from the keyboard. Get a life!

      Sound advice, but why haven't you taken it yourself?
Re: Deleting old users
by thor (Priest) on Aug 08, 2004 at 13:49 UTC
    The problem with this is that some people are perfectly content to lurk. And I'm fine with them doing that. Besides...what's in a name? Nothing guarantees that there won't be two Adam Smith's within a given domain, so why worry if someone has chosen your favorite handle?

    thor

    Feel the white light, the light within
    Be your own disciple, fan the sparks of will
    With all of us waiting, your kingdom will come

Re: Deleting old users
by CountZero (Bishop) on Aug 08, 2004 at 18:44 UTC
    I'm a reserve-officer. Suppose I get sent to some far off country to defend King & Country and upon coming back I find my account at Perlmonks deleted? Nice homecoming!

    As long as the database can still contain all users, there is no need to change anything.

    CountZero

    "If you have four groups working on a compiler, you'll get a 4-pass compiler." - Conway's Law

      As long as the database can still contain all users, there is no need to change anything.

      The United States can contain many people, but we still need deportation.

        I will have to agree that we will disagree on that point.

        CountZero

        "If you have four groups working on a compiler, you'll get a 4-pass compiler." - Conway's Law

Re: Deleting old users
by jmcnamara (Monsignor) on Aug 08, 2004 at 19:12 UTC

    I think that we should delete the young users.

    They seem to be the ones that cause most of the problems. :-)

    --
    John.

      I think we should delete Your Momma!
Re: Deleting old users
by Wassercrats on Aug 08, 2004 at 22:40 UTC
    Do you think any of the major forum software, like vBulletin, is missing such a feature? I doubt it.

    According to http://tinymicros.com/pm/?goto=MainPage, 14714 monks have logged in once and have no writeups. Assuming the database entry for each of them takes 100 bytes, that's about 1.5 MB of wasted space.

    I don't know how many of those users have been absent long enough to warrant deleting them, but lets assume we make the time period six months, and that perlmonks has been around about five years. Lets say only 1/3 of 1.5 MB is the amount of wasted space for users who haven't been back for at least one year (512K). Divide that by 5 to approximate the amount of wasted space per year (102.4K).

    We don't want to get rid of users from the past six months, so multiply 102.4K by five years and subtract the wasted space for half a year (51.2K), and that's the approximate amount of wasted space from non-returning registered users (460.8K).

    I don't know how bad that is for the server, but my figures are very conservative, and my ysth's main problem with keeping old users registered is that it uses up names that some people might want, and one random example is Barry.

    EDIT... I changed my mind from having a one year cut-off to a six month cut-off, but forgot to change everything above accordingly. I guess it doesn't matter.

      Since my sole statement in the CB on this issue was "I agree.", I'm not sure how you divine what my "main problem" is.

      I wouldn't want to delete any users who meet any of the following:

      1. lasthere > created + 1 week
      2. own any nodes or reapednodes besides homenode
      3. logged on in the last 3 months
      4. created in the last 1 month
      Update: additional criteria:
      1. homenode doctext or location has content
      2. im2 has seen the username

        Those are reasonable criteria. If there's ever a concrete plan among the powers-that-be to delete unused accounts, I'd start there.

        There are many ways to participate besides posting and any deletion guides should take that into account.

        Here are my guidelines for deletion of registered users:

        1. Has not logged on in 2 years.
        2. Has not achieved sainthood.
        3. Deletion only occurs two weeks after an email is sent to the user's address.

        If the deleted user has any nodes (excluding reaped ones) then the homenode and username are permanently reserved.

        My reasoning is that if a person picks the same name, then the new person will not be associated with the postings of the old one.

        Along with any other present content, the homenode will contain a small message indicating that the user has been deleted on such-and-such a date.

        I also like LiveJournal's practice of crossing out (or striking out) a username belonging to a deleted account.

      According to http://tinymicros.com/pm/?goto=MainPage, 14714 monks have logged in once and have no writeups. Assuming the database entry for each of them takes 100 bytes, that's about 1.5 MB of wasted space.

      A whole meg and a half? Egad.

      --
      F o x t r o t U n i f o r m
      Found a typo in this node? /msg me
      % man 3 strfry

        A whole meg and a half? Egad.

        Time to mount another floppy.

        90% of every Perl application is already written.
        dragonchild

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