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Re: Perl 6 ... dead? (no, just convalescing)

by grinder (Bishop)
on Sep 01, 2004 at 07:15 UTC ( #387416=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??

in reply to Perl 6 ... dead?

Do not be too quick to bury Perl 6. I would like to draw your attention to Larry Wall's eighth State of the Onion speech. After having read that you will have a better idea of why progress on Perl 6 was as slow as it was last year, and especially that "Perl 6 can be said to be largely complete." and "Perl 6 is going to start emerging this year" (read: 2005) and also "the Parrot engine is in such fine shape, it's time to concentrate on writing a fine Perl 6 compiler to target it".

Of course, the events might not pan out like that, but it's...

...not dead yet.

I feel happy, I feel happy

- another intruder with the mooring of the heat of the Perl

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Re^2: Perl 6 ... dead? (no, just convalescing)
by hartwig (Sexton) on Sep 01, 2004 at 07:58 UTC
    Actually I am not quick at all to bury perl 6 - I love to do my programming in perl but in the matter of fact you have to find a job where perl knowledge is required. If you check perl-jobs (in europe) you will find a decline (old cgi stuff, some db most pretty old systems too and text-processing) in the number of jobs. There are currently no new systems which will be designed and implemented in perl. My hope is, that perl 6 will bring some fresh air into software - but as longer it takes as harder it is to do that.
      Most people I know bring Perl with them into a job. Most Fortune 1000 companies don't know that they use Perl as much as they really do. In fact, I'll be that if you ask, many Fortune 1000 companies would think that they don't use Perl at all, when, in fact, they would be dead in the water without it!

      If you're looking for a Perl-specific job ... good luck. I'm personally going to certify in MySQL and Oracle so that I can always pay the bills. Beyond that, who knows? :-)

      We are the carpenters and bricklayers of the Information Age.

      Then there are Damian modules.... *sigh* ... that's not about being less-lazy -- that's about being on some really good drugs -- you know, there is no spoon. - flyingmoose

      I shouldn't have to say this, but any code, unless otherwise stated, is untested

      What on earth are you talking about? If you check the perl jobs list, you will find that listings are UP, and have been for several months. There are tons of listings for OO programming, mod_perl, and other advanced work with lots of senior positions.

      I don't know where you got these other ideas either. Java hype fading? Hardly. And what difference does it make to you what happens with Perl 6? Is Perl 5 not working for you somehow? Your post seems very alarmist and your claims of imminent doom have nothing to back them up.

      I have to agree with hartwig and Wassercrats.

      The same exact situation (or maybe worst) can be seen here in Brazil.

      I love Perl and I have high expectations about Perl 6 and Parrot, but things are starting to look scary on the jobs horizon...

      About dragonchild's post:

      Most Fortune 1000 companies don't know that they use Perl as much as they really do. In fact, I'll be that if you ask, many Fortune 1000 companies would think that they don't use Perl at all, when, in fact, they would be dead in the water without it!

      I think one of Perl's major problems is exactly this. Someone should tell these company's this fact, so Perl can be more known, appreciated and respected.


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Re^2: Perl 6 ... dead? (no, pining for the fjords)
by Roy Johnson (Monsignor) on Sep 01, 2004 at 16:31 UTC
    He's not dead, he's pining for the fjords!

    I just thought the dead parrot sketch was a better reference, considering the topic.

    Caution: Contents may have been coded under pressure.
Re^2: Perl 6 ... dead? (no, just convalescing)
by Wassercrats on Sep 01, 2004 at 07:23 UTC
    Sounds like I missed the good parts of his speech. Seemed like I was listening to stories about screensavers and his medical problems for an hour.

    If the part about the compiler means I'll be able to protect my scripts by converting them into bytecode, I guess I'll be switching to Perl 6 faster than I thought.

      You raise a good point, Wassercrats. Although we're accustomed to protecting things of value, for instance, gold, diamonds, and Munch paintings, we must not forget that things deemed harmful to humanity, such as nuclear waste, minefields, and Michael Jackson, must also be guarded to prevent the curious, naive, or stupid from injuring themselves through accidental or intentional contact with them.

      In other words, if compiled Perl 6 means that you nobody will ever have to set eyes upon your source code again, then I wish the Perl 6 developers godspeed in their task.

      ps: B::Bytecode can compile your Perl source code today. What are you waiting for?

      Considered: DaWolf delete: Flamebait. Not useful at all for the parent node or the discussion
      Unconsidered: ysth enough keep votes - Keep/Edit/Delete: 19/1/9

        I know you wanted to add more heat to your flame by appearing to be a regular monk, but I see you just registered to flame me, so it didn't work.

        This is one of the reasons inactive monks should be deleted after a certain period of time. They use up good handles.

      Protect from what? Reuse? No. Reading? No. You mean protect your comments? I guess.
        I want them to be as protected from copying and viewing (the source code) as possible for a computer program, and that's not possible with Perl 5 scripts.

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