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by rjamestaylor (Acolyte)
on Sep 29, 2004 at 14:43 UTC ( #394995=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??

in reply to What's your prefered revision control system?

I still have nightmares from Intersolv's PVCS.


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by osunderdog (Deacon) on Sep 29, 2004 at 22:55 UTC
    I'm living that nightmare.

    I convinced my previous manager that there was an advantage to Concurrent development. So we used CVS.

    Unfortunatly I'm not having much luck convincing my current manager of the value of concurrency. I can't seem to get him past the Merge concept... It's really painful going from CVS back to PVCS.

    "Look, Shiny Things" is not a better strategy than compatibility and reuse.


      This reminds me of a temp position I had with a local state university, that was (at the time) recently acquired by a larger state university. The local school had people who could spell unix (and get it right most of the time), and a few who even knew what that funny word actually meant. But they needed to pass the audit from the mamma university to show they were being good little boys and girls and playing nice with their security systems and such.

      I was brought on-board because I knew the version of unix they were using (both of them), to do some things like automate their nightly backups (like I said, they were mostly functionally illiterate in unix), and to tighten up the security systems, and at the same time get them using some sort of "source control system" -- something they really had a clue about.

      I spent 6 months getting them up and running on a hybrid of my CVS system. They are actually a UniData shop (a version of PICK on unix) -- yea, I said PICK... sorry, y'all. And the programmers refused to add any steps to their work process, so I had to install the CVS system and wrappers in such a way that they didn't do anything different. It was actually an interesting intellectual exercise...

      Anyway, I got them all fixed up and running pretty, etc. The audit happened, and they passed. The VERY NEXT WEEK they called me in, ordered me to uninstall everything, and then walked me out the door.

      I learned a valuable lesson:

      just because they don't want it, doesn't mean they don't know what it is...

      These guys knew pretty much what it was and what value it could be to them -- as well as the ability for "them" to track what they were doing (and not doing -- remember, this is a university setting). I was "public enemy number one" to these people! They couldn't wait to get rid of me!

        Its funny how small the world is. I work for that local state university. Not that it matters much, but for the record I'm an RHCE and I've had training in other flavors of unix including IBM's.

        First there was no audit at that time. And to set the record straight he was fired because he lied about his degrees. He said he had a masters, but he did not have any degrees. Once this was found out he was fired. There were a few other reasons but that was the major reason.

        This is not meant to be a troll but I felt I needed to set the record straight. I'm sorry to air out our dirty laundry here.

by MADuran (Beadle) on Sep 30, 2004 at 18:39 UTC
    Intersolv was two companies ago. and the present owners droped the PVCS (PVCS = Polytronic <sp> Version Control System and it has been a long time since that company was in VCS space (I don't think it is around any more)).

    Who needs a spiffy sig
by poqui (Deacon) on Sep 29, 2004 at 16:13 UTC
    poqui whispers: Endeavor ;-)
by Sandy (Curate) on Oct 12, 2004 at 23:53 UTC
    Is this the same PVCS currently owned by Merant? (used to be PCMS before it added all the process control?)

    We recently switched to PVCS Dimensions from a very old VAX system (CMS). All I can say is ... (deleted... language too foul to be typed...)

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