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For whom would you vote, if you were an American?

by vroom (Pope)
on Nov 02, 2004 at 18:42 UTC ( #404708=poll: print w/ replies, xml ) Need Help??

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Bush
[bar] 88/23%
Kerry
[bar] 225/59%
Other
[bar] 48/13%
More than once
[bar] 11/3%
Less than once
[bar] 12/3%
384 total votes
Comment on For whom would you vote, if you were an American?
Re: Today I'll be voting for
by William G. Davis (Friar) on Nov 02, 2004 at 19:00 UTC

    I voted for Michael Badnarik.

    It would have been nice if him, Ralph Nader, and David Cobb (the only third party candidates on enough state ballots to conceivably win the election) were poll options too instead of just being lobbed together as "Other".

      Hmm, that's strange. "Bush" just went up form 0 to 5 votes and "Other" just went down from 1 to 0 votes...

      That's the problem with electronic voting.

Re: For whom would you vote, if you were an American?
by theonetwo (Beadle) on Nov 02, 2004 at 19:10 UTC

    For the record, vroom had titled this "Today I'll be voting for"; I changed the question slightly.


    theorbtwo in a Coat of Many Colors. I may be a god, but I'm not infailable. Smack me up if I'm wrong, just like anybody else.

Re: For whom would you vote, if you were an American?
by hardburn (Abbot) on Nov 02, 2004 at 19:34 UTC

    So if you are an American, you're not allowed to vote on this poll?

    "There is no shame in being self-taught, only in not trying to learn in the first place." -- Atrus, Myst: The Book of D'ni.

      $am_american = 1; #pretend we're american, even if we aren't if ($am_american) { who_vote(@candidate); }
      Clear it up for you? ;-)

      radiantmatrix
      require General::Disclaimer;
      "Users are evil. All users are evil. Do not trust them. Perl specifically offers the -T switch because it knows users are evil." - japhy

        Sorry, I was thinking:

        if(! $am_american) { who_vote(@candidate); }

        "There is no shame in being self-taught, only in not trying to learn in the first place." -- Atrus, Myst: The Book of D'ni.

        Shouldn't that be:

        { local $am_american = 1; #pretend we're american, even if we aren't if ($am_american) { who_vote(@candidate); } }
        Otherwise this code leaks citezenship. Or causes identity confusion; in any case, it looks like a bug.
      You get to fill out a provisional ballot. If it's a close race Perl Monks will summon a legal team to drag it out for three more weeks.
      No, you're not. Only citizens of democratic countries are allowed to vote. So I wonder just how many Swiss and German monks we have ...
Re: For whom would you vote, if you were an American?
by hardburn (Abbot) on Nov 02, 2004 at 20:04 UTC

    Remember, a vote for Other is a vote for Bush.

    "There is no shame in being self-taught, only in not trying to learn in the first place." -- Atrus, Myst: The Book of D'ni.

      Remember, a vote for Other is a vote for Bush.

      I didn't realize the poll code was that clever.

      --
      Yours in pedantry,
      F o x t r o t U n i f o r m

      "Anything you put in comments is not tested and easily goes out of date." -- tye

        That just simulating how the electronic polling stations are programmed ;)

      That's silly. Why throw your vote away on a major party candidate?

        I think that is silly..If Florida won by 537 votes last time, if just one in ten thousand Democrat voters thought like that then...then they basically handed the election to the Republicans on a "silver platter". You probably mean entrenched states though right?

        I was joking, really. But looking at some of the numbers, even in swing states, Nader and other third-party candidates were a non-factor. Even if you accept the (possibly groundless) idea that all Nader votes would automatically go to the Dems if Nader hadn't run.

        "There is no shame in being self-taught, only in not trying to learn in the first place." -- Atrus, Myst: The Book of D'ni.

      From the Simpsons:

      Kang: The politics of failure have failed. We need to make them work again. Tomorrow, when you are sealed in the voting cubicle, vote for me, Senator KaÖ Bob Dole.
      Kodos: I am looking forward to an orderly election tomorrow, which will eliminate the need for a violent blood bath.

      From the sky comes a scream, as Homer is crashing right into the Capitol. A few footsteps later, he comes running down the stairs.

      Homer: America, take a good look at your beloved candidates. Theyíre nothing but hideous space reptiles.

      <unmasks them>
      <audience gasps in terror>

      Kodos: Itís true, we are aliens. But what are you going to do about it? Itís a two-party system; you have to vote for one of us.

      <murmurs>

      Random Man: Heís right, this is a two-party system.
      Random Man 2: Well, I believe Iíll vote for a third-party candidate.
      Kang: Go ahead, throw your vote away.

      <Kang and Kodos laugh out loud>

      -enlil
Re: For whom would you vote, if you were an American?
by guha (Priest) on Nov 02, 2004 at 22:23 UTC

    I selected Other since Larry Wall was not a separate alternative in the poll.

    Heck I'd even consider changing citizenship if he became President.

      Yeah, I'd leave the country too if he became President--that guy is nuts :)

Re: For whom would you vote, if you were an American?
by TedPride (Priest) on Nov 03, 2004 at 01:31 UTC
    To be honest, I'd rather vote for a third party candidate (Peroutka), but given that voting for a third party just gives the opposite main party a vote, I'm voting for Bush. I think Dad voted Peroutka, and my three oldest siblings voted Bush. Mom isn't a registered voter (too busy to risk jury duty atm), and my other five siblings aren't old enough to vote yet.

    It's really too bad you can't rank all the candidates in order of preference. The current system is hopeless for third party candidates.

      Mom isn't a registered voter (too busy to risk jury duty atm)

      Which state do you live in? Mine (Wisconsin) doesn't base jury duty on voter registrations. I got picked for jury duty six months after my 18th birthday without being a registered voter.

      "There is no shame in being self-taught, only in not trying to learn in the first place." -- Atrus, Myst: The Book of D'ni.

        Yeah. When I had jury duty a couple yrs ago they explained that different locales determine their jury pools different ways. Anywhere from voter registration to drivers license to picking from the phone book (I assume that is for really small places).

        -jbWare
      I can't believe so many people are voting for Bush, he's a blatant racist, but then again I'm a minority :(
Re: For whom would you vote, if you were an American?
by strat (Canon) on Nov 03, 2004 at 07:08 UTC

    In my eyes, the attack to Iraq is a big crime to the Iraqis and the Americans, and as long as Bush is president (although he had never been properly elected some years ago), I will not go to the USA. In addition to that, I've just seen the film "Farenheid 9/11" from Michael Moore some days ago, and if only 5 percent of the contents are true, I really wonder why Bush and some of his friends are still in political positions...

    Best regards,
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      In addition to that, I've just seen the film "Farenheid 9/11" from Michael Moore

      1. The correct spelling is "Fahrenheit" not "Farenheid"
      2. If you want to keep an open mind, try watching the movie "Fahrenhype 9/11". Quite interesting when you realize that a couple of the individuals in the Michael Moore movie did not know that they were in it until told by some one, and were quite upset about it.

      TStanley
      --------
      The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing -- Edmund Burke
        If you're going to bitch about a monk's spelling, then I'm going to downvote you for splitting "someone" into two words.

      For the record, when Micheal Moore was confronted by Bush's campain manager, Moore Challanged him to name a single statement which was made in the movie and was untrue. Bush's campain manager was unable to do so.

      May the Force be with you
        In all fairness, a lot of it was editing. You should see some of the things you could get on ANYONE .. by just editing them. It provided entertainment.. which Moore is more than adquetly doing.

        and no.. I can't spell.
Re: For whom would you vote, if you were an American?
by kalle (Friar) on Nov 03, 2004 at 08:27 UTC
    Since it's a first-past-the-post system, I'd probably vote Kerry. Were it not, I'd vote for Nader.
Re: For whom would you vote, if you were an American?
by dba (Monk) on Nov 03, 2004 at 17:21 UTC
    I would vote for anyone other than Bush. It's difficult for anyone to surpass his stupidity.
Re: For whom would you vote, if you were an American?
by rozallin (Curate) on Nov 03, 2004 at 22:59 UTC

    Looking at issues such as poverty, the economy, trade, deficit, outsourcing, gay marriage, abortion, taxes, affirmative action programmes, social security, healthcare, education, terrorism and homeland security, foreign policy and the role of the US in the United Nations, Iraq, taxes, energy and the environment my political views most identify with that of Ralph Nader, who would have been my first choice were the election not been so hotly contested. Although I disagree with some of his policies I would have most likely voted for John Kerry given the circumstances.

    I am not, however, an American citizen and as much as I may know about US politics I don't know what is right for America. Whilst I know the subtleties of Higher Education, Social Security and the National Health System among others of the United Kingdom I recognise that over the pond it is vastly different. Even though US politics and policies sometimes make me angry and concerned I accept that there are things I cannot change and should not try and seek to either.

    --
    Rozallin J. Thompson
    rozallin@livejournal.com
Re: For whom would you vote, if you were an American?
by Anonymous Monk on Nov 03, 2004 at 23:47 UTC
    I voted for Barney
Re: For whom would you vote, if you were an American?
by Anonymous Monk on Nov 04, 2004 at 01:03 UTC
    I'd vote the one with the biggest boobs. Or the skimpiest clothes.
Re: For whom would you vote, if you were an American?
by blue_cowdawg (Monsignor) on Nov 04, 2004 at 01:30 UTC

    Kerry? Bush? Which weasel do I choose? I am an American. I served my country in the US Navy and I never miss an election, but this one was really tough.

    I'm not so sure I believe Kerry and his war record but on the other hand I don't believe Bush served his country at all.

    I can tell when either one of them is lying really easy.. their lips move.

    The way I figure it my dogs could run the counrty better than either of those two scaliwags.

    And the "third party" candidates were a joke. Too bad, as I would have loved to have an alternative to those two jokers idiots slimey weasels.

    I won't say who I voted for (that's my business) but I will say I held my nose the whole time I was in the voting booth.

      I'm not so sure I believe Kerry and his war record but on the other hand I don't believe Bush served his country at all.
      Is taking part in a war or being in the army the only way to serve your country? (And to choose your president?)

      Update

      Just to make myself clear: if I were an American, I would have voted for Kerry, since I think that anything is better than a dangerous brainless and death penalty-lover like Bush.
      That said, my original (unanswered) question came from the observation that many Americans seem to be obsessed with the war: for them only a soldier deserves to be their president, as if there was no other way to be good to their country than killing some enemy somewhere.
      (I have great respect and regard for the soldiers, I just think that to be a soldier it's not the only way to be good to and to help the community you live in.)

      Ciao,
      Emanuele

            Is taking part in a war or being in the army the only way to serve your country? (And to choose your president?)

        Forgive me for not making myself very clear. I for one do not think that the only way to serve your country is to serve in a combat arm of the military. In fact I believe that some folks should stay as far away from the military as possible.

        However, when I interview candidates for a job in the private sector and they claim on their resume to be a "Perl Guru" I am going to challenge them on their statement. How much Perl do they really know?

        In both Bush's case and Kerry's case they made some hay over their military records as if they had done wonderfully in their service to their country.

        Where Kerry is concerned I think that somewhere between the statements he has made and the statements that his detractors have made lies the real truth.

        If the allegations about Bush being AWOL from his National Guard commitments are even half true then he is not exactly fit for command either.

        If neither one of them pointed to their service records then I'd see other issues with both of them that earn my contempt for the. Kerry's inability to take a stand and stick with it and Bush's bullheaded and heavy handed approach to things being examples.

        I have some very strong ideas about what makes a leader and neither man impresses me in that regard.

        But, it is all moot now. Bush is in, Kerry is out. We get 4 more years of "Jethro the Beverly Hillbilly" instead of "Herman Munster."

      My take on the two is: how could we put someone like Kerry in charge of the military, even though he served at one time, especially taking into account how he comported himself after his service in Viet Nam?
      His demonstrated attitude toward the military is more dangerous than Clinton's was. Clinton "loathed" the military, and treated it as his own personal pizza delivery service; but Kerry consorted with the enemy during time of war, and called his fellow soldiers "war criminals".
      Bush only dodged combat duty to fly airplanes. I don't agree with what Bush did, but it was nowhere near as bad as what Kerry did.

      Give me a real statesman anytime, but how long has it been since one has gotten in under the radar?

      I don't think we will get any real choices until we can make serving in the government a job available only to non-politicians. It seems like an impossible dream.
Re: does not matter the candidate..
by Discipulus (Curate) on Nov 04, 2004 at 08:27 UTC
    the problem is not the man. The real problem is the international behaviour of that country. you know something about Monroe's doctrine ? wants amerika renounce the role of world's policeman ? wants rethink about an industrial developement that ignore the human and wilderness hope of life ? want they stop to help israel to make illigal war against palestinian people ? want someone smash the weapon's trade ? lor*
Re: For whom would you vote, if you were an American?
by TedPride (Priest) on Nov 04, 2004 at 10:21 UTC
    hardburn says:
    "Remember, a vote for Other is a vote for Bush."

    Nader says that he gets just as many votes from Republicans as from Democrats.

    Anonymous Monk says:
    "I can't believe so many people are voting for Bush, he's a blatant racist, but then again I'm a minority :("

    Hmm. I haven't really noticed any racism from either candidate. Can you give specifics?

    strat says:
    "In addition to that, I've just seen the film "Farenheid 9/11" from Michael Moore some days ago, and if only 5 percent of the contents are true, I really wonder why Bush and some of his friends are still in political positions... "

    Well, the same could be said of "Unfit for Command", except "Unfit for Command" probably has significantly more truth in it.

    Discipulus says:
    "the problem is not the man. The real problem is the international behaviour of that country. you know something about Monroe's doctrine ? wants amerika renounce the role of world's policeman ? wants rethink about an industrial developement that ignore the human and wilderness hope of life ? want they stop to help israel to make illigal war against palestinian people ? want someone smash the weapon's trade ? lor*"

    There's always going to be either a world policeman or a world gangster. I'd rather have the policeman, though I don't necessarily agree with every war / skirmish we've fought.

    As for industrial development, ecological awareness is directly proportional to per-capita income. If we didn't have the industrial development, some other, much less careful country would be running things here.

    And one could debate that since the Palestinians are illegally blowing themselves up in the middle of bunches of Israeli civilians, and since pretty much the entire Middle East has tried to destroy Israel several times, Israel is justified in taking action to protect itself. The US supports Israel simply because Israel is a buffer zone - without it, the suicide bombers would be busy visiting us next.

      Nader says that he gets just as many votes from Republicans as from Democrats.

      Nader is full of crap. Exit polls showed pretty close to zero republicans voting for him. Further, as a third-party candidate, he is no more satisfying than the candidates from the two big parties.

      In any case, my statement was meant as a joke (though I probably didn't make it obvious enough, which is my fault). As I said before, looking at the poll data, Nader and all other third-party candidates combined did not play a significant role, even in swing states.

      "There is no shame in being self-taught, only in not trying to learn in the first place." -- Atrus, Myst: The Book of D'ni.

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      There's always going to be either a world policeman or a world gangster. I'd rather have the policeman, though I don't necessarily agree with every war / skirmish we've fought.

      I'd be rather with the gangster if the policeman calling the gangster a gangster is a gangster.

      As for industrial development, ecological awareness is directly proportional to per-capita income. If we didn't have the industrial development, some other, much less careful country would be running things here.

      Oh, really? Ask your fellow indigenous american compatriotes, ask indigenous people in south america, ask any farmer that refuses to grow his crop with oil (traktors, fertilizers, you get the picture) and with his own seed (not Monsanto's). What per-capita income do those have, that really live within their environment in a non-exploiting way? Which "other, much less careful country" do you have in mind which is e.g. not firing depleted uranium shells?

      And one could debate that since the Palestinians are illegally blowing themselves up in the middle of bunches of Israeli civilians, and since pretty much the entire Middle East has tried to destroy Israel several times, Israel is justified in taking action to protect itself. The US supports Israel simply because Israel is a buffer zone - without it, the suicide bombers would be busy visiting us next.

      Come on - suicide bombers visiting you next? That's what those preaching the "war on terr'ism" are trying to inculcate everybody with, it's plain paranoid and without any evidence. The USA's point on this being "bomb there, we're just supporting them"? Get real. The USA is supporting Israel simply because of Israel's strong lobby within your political institutions. Look up The American Enterprise Institute and it's fellows, look up the AIPAC, look up e.g. Doug Feith - learn about their agenda...

      --shmem

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Political cartoons by Mark Fiore
by fraktalisman (Hermit) on Nov 04, 2004 at 17:58 UTC

    Cartoonist Mark Fiore depicts US politics in his political flash cartoons on http://www.markfiore.com. I like them a lot. Just one day before the election, when German TV showed Fahrenheit 9/11, I remembered the website and I wrote an email to Mark telling him not to stop his work. He replied he wouldn't, as he can make a living with it. So at least one thing to be happy about.

    The ballots outcome overseas (in the US) has really, really shocked me.
    I was also quite astonished to learn about Nader. For weeks I have been watching German news channels as well as BBC World and French TV 5, and I never heard anything about him, I didn't even know who he was.

      Like in any house, you keep the dirt under the rug. Really why the heck would you even want to be concerned with Nader? He did not even get 1% of the vote overall. Hell a monkey that is trained to stand on two legs and toss poop at the wall can get more votes than that -- case in point Gore 2000. =)


      -Waswas
        a monkey that is trained to stand on two legs and toss poop at the wall can get more votes than that

        Yeah, Bush is called "monkey-boy" for a reason.

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Re: For whom would you vote, if you were an American?
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Re: For whom would you vote, if you were an American?
by FoxtrotUniform (Prior) on Nov 07, 2004 at 08:29 UTC

    Is this poll still up?

    We'd all like to vote for the best man but he's never a candidate.

    --Kin Hubbard

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