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RE: Education? Anyone?

by kael (Monk)
on Nov 08, 2000 at 14:27 UTC ( #40502=note: print w/ replies, xml ) Need Help??


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in thread The most important issue for me in elections is:

Your doing the very same thing that your accusing them of, on average a private education may cost $7000 this means you can get it for less
Money also is not IMHO the problem, I went to public schools last, (Gardner, MA) they had plenty of money, classrooms could easily have held twice as many students
And compition is NEVER a bad thing, nor is choice. freedom==choice.
What does more money actually do? reduce class size? That doesn't do anything, most catholic schools have classes of 60+ students but have better results than the public schools
And it can put computers in the class room, but what exactly are they going to do with these computers? If your students are failing your current classes adding more isn't going to help, and having a couple computers in a classroom isn't going to magically change anything
I very much disagree with the idea that we should just randomly throw money at public schools and hope the problem goes away, it won't
BTW before any federal money gets added to the department of Education they should get their books in order. Congress hired a private company to go through and straighten out the books, that company was unable to do it. Their should be accountability on every level down to the cent.


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by PotPieMan (Hermit) on Nov 08, 2000 at 21:13 UTC
    It is true that the average cost of a private education means that there are some schools at which you can get it for less money. (Specifically in my city, I don't think there is one private school that goes for less than $7000.)

    Competition is fine, as long as it's judged fairly. Jeb Bush judges schools on standardized test scores, which, in my opinion, don't show anything about intelligence. Just to get a passing grade under Jeb's system (the tests aren't very well written, by the way), teachers have to spend half the year teaching to the test. School vouchers might work if the money weren't allocated based on standardized test scores.

    Also, I'd like to reiterate that I wasn't necessarily for straight up giving more money to schools. The system definitely needs to be restructured so that it works more efficiently. For instance, teachers need more control over the money in a lot of schools.

    P.S. It's great that you lived in Massachusetts, where education is an important issue already. It's also a smaller state, so the system is easier to manage.

    PotPieMan

      It is true that the average cost of a private education means that there are some schools at which you can get it for less money. (Specifically in my city, I don't think there is one private school that goes for less than $7000.)
      True, BUT 1) most private schools offer financial aid for families that can't afford. 2) have you ever checked you might be amazed how cheap some private schools are.
      Jeb Bush judges schools on standardized test scores, which, in my opinion, don't show anything about intelligence.
      I'd like to hear a better way to measure results.
      Just to get a passing grade under Jeb's system (the tests aren't very well written, by the way), teachers have to spend half the year teaching to the test
      The test SHOULD (I haven't actually read it) be based on things that are sopposed to be taught anyway. people say the samething up here about the MCAS tests, but the questions are all about what you'd learn anyway.

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