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Re^4: I usually debug via...

by BUU (Prior)
on Feb 20, 2005 at 08:09 UTC ( #432850=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??

in reply to Re^3: I usually debug via...
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But it's still not a haiku (at least to my limited understanding) because it's not about a seasonal event, and his original form, I feel, reads much more poetically. What is with this obsession of things that look similar to haikus? Is it just that they appear easy to create and everyone wants to be a poet?

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Re^5: I usually debug via...
by legato (Monk) on Mar 03, 2005 at 19:53 UTC

    The basic form of ha-i ku is an "amusing sentence" that follows the three-line, 5-7-5 form. Note, it must be a sentence, not several. There are more constraints, depending on school of thought and whom you ask. Popular constraints:

    • Must have to do with nature
    • Must have to do with a season
    • If using the above constraints, you must introduce that element in the first line of the poem.

    Anima Legato
    .oO all things connect through the motion of the mind

      Wikipedia has a good article on the Haiku form- 5-7-5 gets taught in schools a lot but slavishly holding to a syllable count does not produce a haiku. The most important thing is the juxtaposition or twist which causes you to stop and think. Natalie Goldberg in Writing Down the Bones calls it "A Sensation of Space" - "If you read a lot of Haiku, you see there is a leap that happens, a moment where the poet makes a large jump and the reader's mind must catch up.". The Wikipedia article puts it this way "the subtle linkage or juxtaposition between the two sets of images within a haiku will be found to contain an interesting insight or spiritual message". Unfortunately it is rarely taught and leaves most Haiku wanting.

      Do not seek to follow in the footsteps of the wise. Seek what they sought. -Basho

        What you're speaking of isn't so much "what makes a Haiku", but "what makes a Haiku good". It is very common in poetry to follow all the rules and still suck.

        The things you quote and say about good haiku apply to pretty much any art form -- the ability to move the reader is so much more important than the ability to follow the rules strictly. However, like with most arts, you should learn to follow the rules well before you break them. It's like use warnings; -- there are appropriate times to turn it off, but it is rare and only done when one has already understood how to work supremely well with it on. In poetry and in code, you follow the rules until what you want to accomplish necessitates bending or breaking them.

        Anima Legato
        .oO all things connect through the motion of the mind

Re^5: I usually debug via...
by Anonymous Monk on Feb 21, 2005 at 21:05 UTC
    Is it just that they appear easy to create and everyone wants to be a poet? Yes.

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