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Re^2: Learning Exercises

by ropey (Hermit)
on Apr 14, 2005 at 12:50 UTC ( #447743=note: print w/ replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Re: Learning Exercises
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Problem is that he doesnt have access to books as such, I agree the learning perl book is the bible... but thats not a possibility, without me forking out for it myself...


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Re^3: Learning Exercises
by tlm (Prior) on Apr 14, 2005 at 12:58 UTC

    No access to such books? Then that's the biggest obstacle right there. I don't know about other monks, but it would have taken me ten times as long to learn Perl if I hadn't had access to some key books.

    the lowliest monk

      My friend, with all due respect not all developers have access to books, in this example the guy is from Delhi and he simply cant afford to buy the books... I have asked and its outsourced so I have no influence on his managers. Whilst myself and most monks have had the benefit of being able to afford to buy things which help, this isnt always the case... so I hope you can realise this !

      I just want to help not solve any political problems..

        So, let's see if a get this: he has had no training, has no access to any books, gets no support, and has unwilling managers?
        How do you expect him to gain any experience? If he has access to the internet, his management must have at least enough money to buy him a simple book. If not, and you are so devoted to helping him, feel free to send him a few books (or the Perl CD Book Shelf)

        Paul

          My friend, with all due respect not all developers have access to books, in this example the guy is from Delhi and he simply cant afford to buy the books...

        Well, I work with a bunch of engineers originally from Mumbai, and I gotta say that they are a pretty sharp .. in case that was a slight against anyone from Delhi.

        If I were you, I'd buy a copy of Learning Perl and ship it to your co-worker. I'd also encourage him to join Perl Monks and read the site -- tell him not to post anything, just read and learn for the first month or two.

        Re-writing basic Linux/Unix utilities in Perl is also good make-work -- that ought to get him kick-started into doing Perl development.

        Alex / talexb / Toronto

        "Groklaw is the open-source mentality applied to legal research" ~ Linus Torvalds

Re^3: Learning Exercises
by elwarren (Curate) on Apr 14, 2005 at 17:40 UTC
    Should I just bite the bullet and say I just dont have time ?

    ...learning perl book is the bible... but thats not a possibility, without me forking out for it myself...

    I don't mean to offend, but it sounds like your heart is not into the task of training this person. If your time is worth more than and you are unable to train him, perhaps the less expensive solution would be to buy him the book. Second-hand previous releases can be had from amazon vendors from $3 to $10.

    Or he could just ask Google for "Perl Oreilly" and he can read any of the Perl books. I'm not condoning it, but if he's not going to get the books, it's out there.

    HTH

    PS: if he doesn't have the programming mentality, I don't think the perl books are going to be a very good start. He's going to need some way to be introduced to these concepts as well.
Re^3: Learning Exercises
by !1 (Hermit) on Apr 14, 2005 at 21:47 UTC

    Consider the economics of the situation. He needs this information from somewhere and you've offered two possibilities.

    1. Teach him yourself
    2. Buy the books for him

    Even if you're a very low-end developer, you're making at least $10/hour. Now suppose it takes at least 8 hours (assuming he is the most astute student the world has ever seen) to learn everything you could teach him. That's $80 out of someone's pocket plus whatever they'd have made from your productivity on a paying project because you had to take time out of your day to get a team member up to speed. On the other hand, suppose you pick up the books used for $15 a piece, mail them to him (I know, international shipping's fairly expensive, but not $50 expensive), and let him get up to speed. I'm certain if you bring that to whatever manager you have (if you aren't the manager), he'll accept the latter. Afterall, a machine doesn't work properly if one of the gears is missing half its teeth.

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