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Re: Why aren't you using Perl 6 yet?

by adrianh (Chancellor)
on May 24, 2005 at 15:32 UTC ( [id://460035]=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Why aren't you using Perl 6 yet?

Now my question is, why aren't more people joining in the fun? I can imagine many reasons. Some of them are compelling reasons. Others may be not so good. But I'm trying to get a sense of what some actual reasons are. Think of this as a survey of the Monk population. Please respond early and often!

In order of importance:

  • Lack of time :-)

  • Lack of good pedagogical material. If I had more time it wouldn't be as important - but at the moment I need somebody to explain in short words for the feeble minded some of the bits of Perl 6 that I don't immediately grok.
  • Lack of full support for the Perl 6 regexp/grammar and OO systems. These are the bits of Perl 6 that interest me most from the language perspective. If they were all up and running now I'd probably find the time to go poke and prod.

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Re^2: Why aren't you using Perl 6 yet?
by Limbic~Region (Chancellor) on May 25, 2005 at 12:51 UTC
    adrianh,
    • Time
    • I also have no time and yet I find myself porting small pieces of p5 code to p6 just to see how to do it. Since I am not yet taking advantage of the new features, it really is quite straight forward and doesn't take a significant amount of time.
    • Reference Material
    • Have you seen Perl6::Bible? It should help a bit as a reference guide when things are unclear. I know the hassle of joining p6.l to try and get a single question answered so if it isn't in the "book" yet, you might consider joining #perl6 on IRC. Just have a window open lurking and if you have a question, ask and it will be answered or someone will go find the answer for you.
    • P6 Rules/OO
    • Well, as much of PGE (rules) that exists to date from pmichaud is available to Pugs and p5 regexen via PCRE are also available. While full OO support isn't in yet, a great deal is. And when you find something missing that you want - ask for it (really). Having a real need for something is usually motivation enough for the people with time to implement it.

    See Get Involved With Pugs for more information. Oh, by the way - Pugs can use CPAN modules now!!

    Cheers - L~R

      First an apology. I --'d your node when I meant to ++. The tired old brain didn't quite manage to stop the fingers from hitting the return key when the eyes eventually told it about my stupidity. If one of the gods want's to fix it feel free :-)

      I also have no time and yet I find myself porting small pieces of p5 code to p6 just to see how to do it.

      Then you obviously have more time than I do. Where do you purchase it and can I get a bulk discount :-)

      Have you seen Perl6::Bible?

      Yup. I also read all the Apocalypses, Synopses and Exegeses when they first came out. I even read through a few of the revisions. However "Reference Material" wasn't on my wish list - I want "good pedagogical material". A12 may cover the Perl 6 OO system - but it can hardly be called a tutorial.

      Not that this is the fault of Larry et al - they were not written to be tutorials. In any case with the hugely impressive development speed of PUGS, and the number of changes being made to exactly what this particular bit of Perl 6 really means, tutorials would be premature.

      However, with my current lack of free time, I can't spend the time to think hard about the A/E/S docs, post questions on perl6-language, IRC, etc. to get my head straight.

      At the moment, if I was going to learn Perl 6 with the time available to me, I'd need the Perl 6 version of Perl 5's Camel book, or Ruby's Pickaxe book. Or at least the moral equivalent of perlboot and friends. Some sugar to make the medicine go down.

      At the absolute least I'd love to see item 3 of autrijus's wishlist and have "A more stable core language definition, with both online and offline documentation".

      Well, as much of PGE (rules) that from pmichaud is available to http://pugscode.org and p5 regexen via PCRE are also available.

      Well gosh darn it - if you aren't right :-) Managed to miss that somehow. Named rules too. Excellent. Consider me slightly more tempted to play.

      While full OO support isn't in yet, a great deal is. And when you find something missing that you want - ask for it (really). Having a real need for something is usually motivation enough for the people with time to implement it.

      Unfortunately I don't yet have the necessary knowledge to ask in a sane manner. Without more time and/or better documentation I'm not going to be able to acquire it in the near future. So I'll just have to wait patiently.

      See Get Involved With Pugs for more information.

      Got any spare tuits :-)

      Oh, by the way - Pugs can use CPAN modules now!!

      Jolly good.


      None of this is, of course, a complaint. Quite the opposite. I am positively stunned at the progress of PUGS/Perl 6. I'd never have thought things could have progressed so quickly. It's just not a party that my personal circumstances will allow me to join at the moment.

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