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Perl Editor Beta-tests

by Luckasoft (Acolyte)
on Jun 13, 2005 at 14:16 UTC ( #466172=perlnews: print w/ replies, xml ) Need Help??

Dear friends!
We are asking your opinion on new version of our Perl Editor . http://www.enginsite.com/Perl.htm
This is a public beta-version and still needs to be tailored to your needs.
So we would be happy if you throw in your opinion or feature request.
Everybody who participates will get a license for full professional version.

Please, pay attention to these new features:

Configurable toolbars, shortcuts and editor key commands
Detailed parsing of the evaluation results
Visual profiler
List of the initialized variables
Subroutines list
CVS-support on the file and project level
Graphical CVS interface
Project creating from the local or remote directory as well as CVS repository
Export of the existing projects to CVS
Project synchronization for publication Online
Improved FTP support
SSH1 / SSH2 / SFTP support
Webdav support

If you find a bug, please send us the following information:
Windows version you use.
Perl distribution and version
Version of the debugger (file perl5db.pl)


Any comment, idea, feature request is highly appreciated!
You can also leave your message on our forum http://forum.enginsite.com/YaBB.pl
support(at)enginsite.com
Thanks to the admins for not deleting this message :0)

Comment on Perl Editor Beta-tests
Re: Perl Editor Beta-tests
by thcsoft (Monk) on Jun 13, 2005 at 14:22 UTC
    since perl is strongly supporting the open source idea, and since i am strongly supporting perl, i simply can't imagine a reason why i should support you and your f...ing license. thx for your engagement, however.

    language is a virus from outer space.
      Oh, I don't know... ActiveState is making money out of their IDE too. So, why shouldn't there be any other players?

      I agree with thcsoft! This obviously isn't benefiting the Perl community as a whole, so the only reason I would help then is to get money. Where's my cut of the proceeds?

      It's hardly fair to ask the Perl community for help, and then not give back to the community.

          -Bryan (unabashedly un-anonymous)

        Hi

        According their website, it appears that if you find a bug, you get a free license, which would otherwise cost about $50. It may be worth less to you. I guess that's your cut.

        - j

      I wonder why some people are trying so hard to be blind ....

      OpenSource means that I write code in order for other to benefit from my work, and in turn, I benefit from their work.
      ClosedSource means that I write code I'm interested in <direct> material (money) benefit.
      Some people choose one model over the other. Does this make they evil? I guess not.

      i simply can't imagine a reason why i should support you and your f...ing license.

      If the thingy is closed source it doesn't mean it isn't good (it may be bad, I don't know, it doesn't work on UNIX).
      And here's the reason you can't imagine:
      Those people are interested in your input. If your are willing to give it, you get a free license, if not, you're free to use your IDE/editor of choice.


      Why flaming?!?! -
      Dodge This!
Re: Perl Editor Beta-tests
by Anonymous Monk on Jun 13, 2005 at 14:39 UTC
    Windows 9x/NT/2000/XP or later? No thanks.
Re: Perl Editor Beta-tests
by robot_tourist (Hermit) on Jun 13, 2005 at 14:47 UTC

    Shouldn't this be in Meditations or News?

    I'll give it a go, beats paying!

    How can you feel when you're made of steel? I am made of steel. I am the Robot Tourist.
    Robot Tourist, by Ten Benson

Re: Perl Editor Beta-tests
by moot (Chaplain) on Jun 13, 2005 at 15:04 UTC
    Required features:

    • Has to run on Unixy systems.
    • Must support vi key bindings out-of-the-box.
    • Integrated CPAN browser/ download facility (e.g. I enter 'use Foo::Bar' in an edit window; the IDE detects that Foo::Bar isn't installed and asks if I would like to install it from CPAN).
    • Open source. If it doesn't do what I need it to, and I can't make it do those things, it's useless to me.

    Hrmm..wait a sec, I have all of those already in vim.. (although I might have to write a macro to implement the third item). I'll stick with what I have, thanks..

      Very funny. Ever considered the posibility that others might have different needs or habits? How helpfull to the comunity do you consider your response?

      Jenda
      I probably still remember how to close vi. Probably. Assuming ESC is ESC and not a CTRL+ALT+SHIFT+something.

        Yes, I do consider that others have different needs and habits - I would be very surprised if this were not the case. The OP asked for feature requests, which I provided. If you don't like those features, please feel free not to implement them (assuming you are connected with the OP's organisation).

        However, without those features I won't be patronising your company.

        How helpful do you consider your response?

        Which part is "funny"? Is that "ha ha" funny, or something else? I think these requests are perfectly legit.

        To ask that the editor runs on the same platforms as Perl itself runs on isn't unreasonable. As previously pointed out in the thread, EPIC runs under Eclipse, which happens to run under many UN*X flavors & Windows too.

        To ask that vi keybindings might be supported is also perfectly normal. Again, using Eclipse as an example, there are plug-ins for vi, emacs, and even pico keybindings. As for how to close a doc try :w! :ZZ (some of us use it every day)

        CPAN integration, you have to admit, would be a great feature. ActiveState has module management, no?

        Open Source - hey it doesn't hurt to ask, does it?

        Since this is a Windows-Centric app already, how is moot stepping on your toes (or anyone else's for that matter) asking for these things exactly? No one's asking that the existing features go away or anything. Or are you assuming that having a keymapping feature will mean you can't turn it off? Try a few IDE's - it's pretty standard issue these days.

        I think that asking for a UN*X friendly version of this app is just as reasonable as asking for a PC version of BBEdit. And frankly I'd sooner have the latter.

        I've tried this, and I've tried EPIC. I'll run the trial to completion & then go back to using EPIC. The integrated debugger is handy. I wouldn't personally shell out $50 for it though. It's just as easy to open a window & use the CLT. Are there any killer features I'm missing here or is this it? I might consider shelling out for it if you implemented it as a cross-platform Eclipse plug-in. Many tool vendors are migrating this way, including Macromedia/Adobe for their Flash authoring tool. You should consider it.



        Wait! This isn't a Parachute, this is a Backpack!
Re: Perl Editor Beta-tests
by jplindstrom (Monsignor) on Jun 13, 2005 at 15:55 UTC
    The Visual Profiler sounds interesting, could you tell us more about that? Couldn't find any description on the site.

    /J

Re: Perl Editor Beta-tests
by ww (Bishop) on Jun 13, 2005 at 16:43 UTC
    OT.

    The monastery is remarkably free of flames, so it seems to me (yep, now I'm indulging in un-invited, OT, commentary) that an announcement/advertisement of this type need not be a forum for potshots at (name your least favorite OS | OS-vendor). Fact such shots seem to me gratuitous.

    Now, I love M$ as little as most and use *n*x on a variety of systems, but I DO have to use one or more MS OSen in the course of my employment. A bit of reflection may reveal that some monks use them for the same reason or gasp!, "by choice." They tend to refrain from gratutitous posts on matters that relate to (name your OS_of_choice).

    So, in the interest of civility, maintaining low signal:noise and the possibility that even someone developing commercially for some_other_OS_than_your_choice will come up with a novel idea you'ld like to adopt, please consider whether your comment is insightful, informative or funny enough to deserve houseroom

Re: Perl Editor Beta-tests
by matthewb (Deacon) on Jun 13, 2005 at 19:29 UTC
    Customizable and expandable Code templates
    Not a guru yet? Use other's expertise

    You're not going to win any brownie points with the “code template” presented in this screen-shot


    MB

        No, that's a feature: Push-Button Cargo Culting. Pointy hairs will go wild.

        --
        We're looking for people in ATL

Re: Perl Editor Beta-tests
by gjb (Vicar) on Jun 14, 2005 at 16:23 UTC

    Hm, how do you position your product with respect to EPIC, the free and open source Eclipse plugin?

    Feature-wise, I see quite a lot of similarities.

    -gjb-

Re: Perl Editor Beta-tests
by chanio (Priest) on Jun 15, 2005 at 03:47 UTC
    I think that it is not fair to judge something without trying it.

    And just because:

    • It only works on M$
    • And is not OS
    I have tried it and it is a very nice editor!

    It's aspect is very polished and clean

    It does what it pretends, and is not being greedy with their license restrictions. It is a good example of a respectful company.

    Besides, one needs good examples to emulate. And good comercial products are the best that can happen to Opensource developers.

    I would add a way of designing Tk screens of several standard types. If not with a graphical tool, at least as templates that could show linked images of the results.

    My idea is not very original, but considering that there is actually no editor that does Tk it would have something to justify the comercial part when it compares with the still-growing & great multiplatform OS sciTe!

    .{\('v')/}   C H E E R   U P !
     _`(___)' ___a_l_b_e_r_t_o_________
    
    Wherever I lay my KNOPPIX disk, a new FREE LINUX nation could be established.
Re: Perl Editor Beta-tests
by Mr. Muskrat (Abbot) on Jun 15, 2005 at 04:20 UTC

    How is this different than the last two times you posted something very similar to this? (public beta testing of Perl Editor and Free Perl Editor) Did you not get enough feedback? Or did you not like the feedback that you received?

    Honestly, I didn't try it then and I'm not going to try it now (I do all of my development on linux using vi) but humor me... What is the point of someone like me beta testing this *besides* the fact that you'll give me a license for the full professional version that I will never use? You benefit from me testing it but what's in it for me?

    Update: By the way, this screenshot shows your lack of Perl knowledge.

Re: Perl Editor Beta-tests
by crenz (Priest) on Jul 12, 2005 at 10:55 UTC

    Why do people go on to create more and more single-platform IDEs tied to a single language? *sigh*

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