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Re^2: Bit operations for beginners

by ikegami (Pope)
on Jun 27, 2005 at 23:20 UTC ( #470415=note: print w/ replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Re: Bit operations for beginners
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For two inputs, there are 16 operations. Most of them are rarely useful, which is why we don't have Perl operators for them.

By the way, everything can be implemented solely with nand:

p | q | p nand q ---+---+---------- 0 | 0 | 1 0 | 1 | 1 1 | 0 | 1 1 | 1 | 0 not p === p nand p p and q === (p nand q) nand (p nand q) p or q === (p nand p) nand (q nand q) p xor q === (p nand (q nand q)) nand ((p nand p) nand q)

Other operatations could also be used instead of nand. nor, for example:

p | q | p nor q ---+---+--------- 0 | 0 | 1 0 | 1 | 0 1 | 0 | 0 1 | 1 | 0 ~(p nor q) not p === p nor p p and q === (p nor p) nor (q nor q) p or q === (p nor q) nor (p nor q) p xor q === [something very long]


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Re^3: Bit operations for beginners
by BrowserUk (Pope) on Jun 28, 2005 at 01:05 UTC
    p xor q === [something very long]

    Hell's teeth! You weren't kidding.

    I remember xor as (p and not q) or (q and not p) and it's been something like 30 years since I played with nand and nor expansions, so I expanded that:

    xor === (p and not q) or (q and not p) expand the 'not's === (p and (q nor q)) or (q and (p nor p)) expand the 'and's === ((p nor p) nor ((q nor q) nor (q nor q))) or ((q nor q) nor ((p nor p) nor (p nor p))) expand the 'or's === (((p nor p) nor ((q nor q) nor (q nor q))) nor ((q nor q) nor ((p nor p) nor (p nor p)))) nor (((q nor q) nor ((p nor p) nor (p nor p))) nor ((p nor p) nor ((q nor q) nor (q nor q))))

    Then it struck me that ((x nor x) nor (x nor x)) is x, which reduces it to

    === (((p nor p) nor q) nor ((q nor q) nor p)) nor (((q nor q) nor p) nor ((p nor p) nor q))

    It's certainly more digestable (just :), but are there any other reductions in there?


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      (p nor q) nor ((p nor p) nor (q nor q))

      Remember that nor returns true only if both arguments are false. So, we want to return true if the inputs aren't both false or both true. The former is simply p nor q and the latter is (not p) nor (not q) and we use the expansion of not.

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