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Re: Class::DBI mailing list meltdownby Anonymous Monk
|on Jul 28, 2005 at 23:35 UTC||Need Help??|
Some interesting and very good quotes from some of the private discussions about this; if you know the sources of this information, please respect my decision to pull the egos out of the discussion and keep it to yourself. Thanks.
From one person;
I totally back Tony on the decision to temporarily unsubscribe Sebastian. Even in a free and open discussion, somebody's got to stop folks from slinging poo.
However, I don't back any silly legal threats. Tony, can we keep the lawyers out of this? If he keeps trying to subscribe just ignore him. Eventually he'll go away. Don't feed the trolls or the sharks.
And this extremely well written message:
Dear fellow list readers,
I reply to you in private, because I do not think this thread should be continued in public and especially this mailing list should not be polluted any further with this nonsense.
Sebastian Riedel (not only in the thread in question here) is rather rude, provoking and overly convinced of himself, his ideas and of this Catalyst thing I never took a look at, so I cannot afford any judgement whatsoever.
Tony might be thought of as rude and not very cooperative by some people as well and I do think he overreacted by threatening criminal prosecution, but I do understand why he banned Sebastian.
Some examples of provocative statements made by Sebastian taken from the thread in question:
I read that as "i am god, just trust me, i don't need no fsckin examples..."
Tony just listens to what Tony wants to hear...
IMO good frameworks should give the users a helping hand and not patronize them...
Agreed, use the right tool for the right job, but don't just outlaw MI because you had a bad experience somewhen back in stoneage. ;)
So some backup from me for Tony, but as I said before, I think he somewhat overreacted. They should both calm down and just settle this matter for good ...
My 2 cents.
The above comments are extremely accurate and should be carefully considered by both sides of the argument. It looks to me like in this flamewar, there have been no "winners", only losers.
To try to balance the argument, I looked through all of Tony's posts over the last two weeks and pulled out the most inflammatory. This was hard, it seems that Tony in true British fashion managed to hold his cool pretty much until right near the end. Nonetheless, I came up with the below; included under "fair use" provisions of international copyright law;
Thanks to the recent actions of Sebastian, and various other people both on and off this list, I am closing down the Class::DBI mailing list and wiki.
Sebastian was told he was temporarily banned from the list... if he (continues to attempt to subscribe), I shall have little option but to proceed with reporting this matter to the Police.
You obviously have no understanding of how I develop Class::DBI, then. I'd prefer it if you didn't extrapolate your requests from such a broken mental model.
In any case, this issue has been dragged on for far too long in too many forums; please everyone just move along and work on code in your own respective corners.